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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2008 05:09 pm
According to the following graph, it looks like the average global annual temperature peak in 1938 exceeds the average global annual temperature peak in 2007 by at most 0.5 degrees Celsius.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide5.png
US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity

This graph shows that solar activity correlates with global temperatures very well, and it shows that the rapid increase in CO2 density in the atmosphere since 1958 (shown in the following graph) correlates with global temperatures very poorly, and appears to have had little effect on global temperatures.

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/mlo.jpg
Trend Atmospheric CO2 ppm 1958 to 2007
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2008 06:05 pm
Ican - aren't you a pilot? Wondering here about your comments (if any) on this post of 2 pages back - it got lost under the dinosaur stampede Smile


High Seas wrote:
This lunacy is reaching the airlines now >

Quote:
.............the biofuel-powered engine was using a blend of conventional jet fuel and biofuel: 80/20 in favor of the regular stuff. In total, then, just 5% of the 49,000-lb (22,000 kg) fuel load consisted of the novelty: a special mix of coconut oil and oil from the Brazilian babassu plant..

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1717009,00.html

> ever as scientists prove conclusively that palm / coconut oil causes more than 400 years' jet fuel damage to the planet - you can't make up that stuff!

Quote:
Draining and clearing peatlands in Malaysia and Indonesia to grow palm oil emits so much CO2 that palm biodiesel from those fields would have to be burned for more than 420 years to counteract it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241324358751455.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2008 09:52 pm
High Seas wrote:
Ican - aren't you a pilot? Wondering here about your comments (if any) on this post of 2 pages back - it got lost under the dinosaur stampede Smile


High Seas wrote:
This lunacy is reaching the airlines now >

Quote:
.............the biofuel-powered engine was using a blend of conventional jet fuel and biofuel: 80/20 in favor of the regular stuff. In total, then, just 5% of the 49,000-lb (22,000 kg) fuel load consisted of the novelty: a special mix of coconut oil and oil from the Brazilian babassu plant..

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1717009,00.html

> ever as scientists prove conclusively that palm / coconut oil causes more than 400 years' jet fuel damage to the planet - you can't make up that stuff!

Quote:
Draining and clearing peatlands in Malaysia and Indonesia to grow palm oil emits so much CO2 that palm biodiesel from those fields would have to be burned for more than 420 years to counteract it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241324358751455.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


High Seas, the following two excerpts from the links you provided pretty well identify the madness surrounding the quest for biofuels.

Regarding the first excerpt, I flew a Learjet 25D like this one back in the 1990s:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6058358
It burned about 300 gallons of Jet A (mostly kerosene) per hour and flew enroute at 41,000 to 51,000 feet. It is a tad cold up there. :wink:

I doubt that coconut oil would remain liquid at those altitudes unless some of the exhaust were drawn off to heat the Learjet's coconut oil while enroute. That of course would require more coconut oil to be burned per hour.

Boeing 747s fly about as high, so at those altitudes the 747 would also have to heat its coconut oil while enroute.
Quote:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1717009,00.html
The fuel Virgin used Sunday required no equipment modifications at all; the plane flew to 25,000 feet (7,600 m) without incident; and the environmental benefits seem clear, at least once the fuel is loaded onto the plane. Internal company testing suggests the biofuel, when burned, releases just half the emissions of conventional jet fuel.


This second excerpt is a better reason for avoiding biofuels.
Quote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241324358751455.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
While the U.S. and others race to expand the use and production of biofuels, two new studies suggest these gasoline alternatives actually will increase carbon-dioxide levels.

A study published in the latest issue of Science finds that corn-based ethanol, a type of biofuel pushed heavily in the U.S., will nearly double the output of greenhouse-gas emissions instead of reducing them by about one-fifth by some estimates. A separate paper in Science concludes that clearing native habitats to grow crops for biofuel generally will lead to more carbon emissions.

Besides, where I live, the cost of an ear of corn has increased from about 20 cents to a dollar, just so we can increase the CO2 density in the ocean and atmosphere. Rolling Eyes
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 01:26 pm
That brings up another point, Ican. Since anybody who has ever received a grant or other funding via anybody associated with the oil industry is judged unworthy to present scientific opinion, should not anybody associated with agriculture or pro AGW governments or electric car and battery manufacturers etc. now also be considered equally suspect?

I mean all those greedy farmers are profiting enormously by the fivefold increase in the price of corn and anything else convertable into bio fuels. They certainly are going to fund anybody who will keep that gravy train going, yes?

And the rest of us shouldn't mind paying five times the price for grocery staples or seven times more for our light bulbs or $5 to $10 thousand more for an automobile though the manufacturers of all those things probably also fund some scientific research.

Or maybe we should all focus more on the actual science instead of looking for ways to demonize any scientist or analyst who criticizes the work of our chosen champions. And maybe all this will be incentive to look for the truth behind it all instead of just parroting politically correct conclusions.

I personally would find that most refreshing.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 02:43 pm
ican711nm wrote:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average global annual temperature peak in 1938 exceeds the average global annual temperature peak in 2007 by at most 0.5 degrees Celsius.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide5.png
US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity
Surely even you can't believe that the surface of the US makes up the entire globe. Although I wonder sometimes with the comments you make and what you put up to try to support it.

By the way, your graph MAYBE goes to 2003. It certainly doesn't include 2005-2007
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 03:05 pm
Cold Reception
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 03:09 pm
Yes, the world is just USA.


Quote:
2007 - forecast to be the warmest year yet
2007 is likely to be the warmest year on record globally, beating the current record set in 1998, say climate-change experts at the Met Office.

Source: UK MetOffice
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 03:14 pm
However, we really shouldn't neglect the dangers of Global Cooling, we, those who seek the living God of Jews and Christians ...


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2007 saw the greatest single drop in temperature in recorded history
Global Cooling is a Serious Problem
By Bruce Walker Wednesday, February 27, 2008


Scientist who study climate change have now come up with a new prognosis for the future of our planet: 2007 saw the greatest single drop in temperature in recorded history. The ice age which had been receding for the last few centuries seems to be returning.

Global Cooling is a serious problem. The last time our planet suffered from global cooling, there was also a troubling increase in crop failures, disease and the decline of habitable areas (Greenland and Iceland, for example, had much more vegetation and warmth.)

It is difficult to say if mankind can stop global cooling, but it is not difficult to say what the reaction of policymakers around the world should be to this newest and real natural threat. Governments should encourage the mining of coal, the drilling for oil, increasing industrial activity, more vehicles on the highways and the introduction of heat-retaining chemical compounds in our atmosphere.

Unlike the mythical global warming, mankind's ingenuity has given him the tools to deal with global cooling - if we act in time. Invention has often been a human response to cold and its effects. Indeed, human progress has largely been a response to the challenges of nature in general. Often - the vast majority of the time - this has been futile. Mankind cannot stop volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis. But sometimes, if we are prescient like the Medieval Dutch, we can hold back the sea and win quiet victories against our enemy, nature.

That requires recognizing that nature is, by and large, the enemy of mankind. It may be beautiful; indeed it is both beautiful and ugly, bountiful and destructive, helpful and merciless, and above all nature is utterly disinterested in our survival or welfare. Our goal has always been to tame nature, which is a divinely inspired mandate. God has given us only the tool of our mind to do this. But He has also made it clear that we are the masters and nature is the servant.

The mythology of Global Warming was built upon the assumption that the more man asserts his hegemony over nature, the more man somehow desecrates the Goddess Nature. Global Warming was constructed upon a rejection of the Judeo-Christian God and an embrace of the ancient and savage gods and goddesses of primitive and ignorant people.

These people lived in awe of the brutal pantheon of impersonal deities. As a result, they never developed science, they mastered technology - but only up to a point and then no further, and they never questioned the morality of the heartless river gods, earth goddesses and thunder lords. Fear - very much like the fear of Global Warming - dominated their lives (Would the sun rise tomorrow? Would spring come at its appointed time?)

The rest of us, who seek the living God of Jews and Christians, have always seen the real danger as Global Cooling. If we are not fruitful and do not multiply, then we reject the injunctions of the Living God. If we do not take the blessing given to us of this planet, to use as we will, then we reject the injunctions of the Living God.

When we stop working and start fretting, then we cool down as does the order of man on earth. That is a bad thing. When we stop having children, then the reign of man on earth begins to end, with nothing to replace it but soulless nature.

There is a huge difference between admiring and enjoying nature and with groveling before it. The Dutch dikes reclaimed land from the sea so that gardens and flowers could grow: gardens and flowers are a lovely and real part of nature. The laws the Christians passed against cruelty to animals a few centuries ago were the first of their kind in history: kindness to inferior creatures is founded upon Judeo-Christian traditions and without that tradition it has no real roots.

The new threat of Global Cooling, which would shift hundreds of millions of people out of the lower latitudes and into the crowded inner latitudes, is not manmade but part of the geological cycle of our earth. The question, if it turns out over the next years and decades to be real, is whether we confront it and prevail (which will require that Anwar and pristine coastlines surrender to the greater need of our welfare) or whether we abandon ourselves to the tender mercies of a nature which is neither divine nor holy nor good. Global is a serious moral problem.


Posted 02/27 at 09:57 PM
Source
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 03:45 pm
from the same "source" given by walter :wink: :

the UNITED STATES as seen from CANADA
(by an american columnist - felicia benamon):

Quote:
America
A Once Prosperous Nation
By Felicia Benamon Thursday, February 14, 2008


America was once prosperous in every conceivable way. Now, not only are we on the fast track to a serious financial downfall, but our morals have slid as well.

Arrogance has tarnished a once great country. Complacency has dulled us into thinking that we will continue to be a dominant force in the world.

Morals are quickly disintegrating. The horrible spirit of pride has taken root. There is an attitude in our country that "It's all about me, and what's in it for me?" And, "how can I amass more and more money, no matter how I get it?"

We worship money instead of the Creator who enables us through our talents to acquire money. We do not think about what we are doing, if it is wrong or right.

We claim to be a Christian nation, but we sure don't act like it. We aren't following Jesus' example of humility. The reason that evil flourishes in today's society is because the Christian church is not in touch with the Lord as we should, allowing God to work through us. There is a hurting world out there, what are you doing to bless others? Are you acting selfishly instead?


i'm sure all conservative americans will applaud this article .

article in full :
CANADAFREEPRESS
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miniTAX
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 04:44 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Yes, the world is just USA.
Quote:
2007 - forecast to be the warmest year yet
2007 is likely to be the warmest year on record globally, beating the current record set in 1998, say climate-change experts at the Met Office.

Source: UK MetOffice

Definitely a 6 month forecast the MetOf should not have made. They'd better stick to their domain of excellence : 50 year predictions. The risk of being contradicted by reality is much smaller :wink:
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 05:17 pm
I think I've got it.

All that CO2 in the atmosphere is shielding the surface of the globe from the sun's infrared irradiation. All that CO2 does is warm the atmosphere. Therefore, increased CO2 density in the atmosphere is about to cause global surface cooling.

See how easy it is to fabricate fantasy to explain whatever you want to explain.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 05:55 pm
parados wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average global annual temperature peak in 1938 exceeds the average global annual temperature peak in 2007 by at most 0.5 degrees Celsius.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide5.png
US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity
Surely even you can't believe that the surface of the US makes up the entire globe. Although I wonder sometimes with the comments you make and what you put up to try to support it.

By the way, your graph MAYBE goes to 2003. It certainly doesn't include 2005-2007

That graph goes to 2007. The right edge of the graph goes to 2010.

Here's some more graphs for you to misinterpret.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide3.png
Arctic Air Temperature; CO2; Solar Radiation

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide13.png
Composite versus CO2 activity

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide14.png
Temperatures versus years
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 09:05 pm
ican,

I see you failed to address this about the graph..

US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity

What did you say the graph showed? Oh.. that's right..
Quote:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average global annual temperature peak in 1938


What is the difference between global and US surface? Do you know?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 09:46 pm
parados wrote:
ican,

I see you failed to address this about the graph..

US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity

What did you say the graph showed? Oh.. that's right..
Quote:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average global annual temperature peak in 1938


What is the difference between global and US surface? Do you know?

Good point. I erred.

I should have written:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average US surface annual temperature peaked in 1937.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 04:27 am
ican711nm wrote:
I think I've got it.
you've surely got something ican
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 08:51 am
ican711nm wrote:
parados wrote:
ican,

I see you failed to address this about the graph..

US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity

What did you say the graph showed? Oh.. that's right..
Quote:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average global annual temperature peak in 1938


What is the difference between global and US surface? Do you know?

Good point. I erred.

I should have written:
According to the following graph, it looks like the average US surface annual temperature peaked in 1937.

And the graph MUST go to 2007 because we all know that 2007 was the 4th highest temperature in the US in over 100 years. Especially since it was LOWER in temperature than the average for the last 100 years, right? Rolling Eyes

There are so many things involved in reading graphs ican. We can't expect you to check any of them like titles or the information used to create the graph.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 10:57 am
Trends and fluctuations in US Surface Temperatures, Arctic Air Temperatures, Global Temperatures, Northern Hemisphere Temperatures, Southern Henisphere Temperatures, Tropics Temperatures, and the Sargossa Sea Temperatures, all correlate well with the trends and fluctuations in the Sun's Irradiance.

None of these temperatures correlates well with the trends and fluctuations in the density of CO2 in either the atmosphere or in the world's oceans.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 11:04 am
http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide5.png
US Surface Temperature Trends versus Solar Activity

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide3.png
Arctic Air Temperature; CO2; Solar Radiation

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide13.png
Composite versus CO2 activity

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide14.png
Temperatures versus years

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide1.png
A 3000+ year look at Sargossa sea level temperatures up to 2006

http://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/mlo.jpg
Trend Atmospheric CO2 ppm 1958 to 2007
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 01:28 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
However, we really shouldn't neglect the dangers of Global Cooling, we, those who seek the living God of Jews and Christians ...


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
So predictable! There always has to be a crisis, and if there isn't one, it will be manufactured.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 01:46 pm
ican711nm wrote:
I think I've got it.

All that CO2 in the atmosphere is shielding the surface of the globe from the sun's infrared irradiation. All that CO2 does is warm the atmosphere. Therefore, increased CO2 density in the atmosphere is about to cause global surface cooling.

See how easy it is to fabricate fantasy to explain whatever you want to explain.

Since you are a pilot, you are unqualified to comment on the atmosphere that you fly through. You are likely working for capitalists that make money on flying through the atmosphere and burning all of those fossil fuels in the process, and therefore your opinion is obviously biased. Laughing
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