Foxfyre wrote:With sometimes productive and sometimes heated discussions on the immigration thread, I've wondered if other countries were having as vitriolic debates as we are having on immigration issues here? Are the populations as divided?
The general attitude in France is the casual "immigration, what's problem?". A ten'th of what a "moderate" (for examle democrat
) American view would be considered a fascist position. Recent example, an illegal Chinese man was controlled in a pub next to a school. He was waiting for his kid. He was arrested by the police. Parents started a riot, taking the defense of the man AGAINST the police. The school headteacher was even arrested for rebellion (but later released without any charge). All the left assimilated this event with deportation using the word "rafles" (or massive deportation of Jews in WW2), for just ONE illegal !.
[greedy mode on]I'm not against immigration since our demographics is not favorable for the next years contrary to the booming US. Hey, who'll pay my pension. [/greedy mode off]But a lot of people are fed up with insecurity and the lack of integration of 2nd generation arab immigrants (the far East immigrants are as always readily integrated, I even have a Vietnamese in law) and the politicians use this as an excuse not to enforce the law in general (find a scapegoat and people will forget the rest of the problems)
Foxfyre wrote:For that matter, is the average 'man in the street' in France or Europe in general seriously consumed with the global warming schtick? It honestly rarely comes up in day to day conversations here, at least in the places where I go.
In Europe in general, the public is entirely brainwashed as to the GW schtick, the hopeless of all must be the Brits. We French have 80% of our electricity made by nuclear and as the world second agricultural product exporter have vast potentials for biodiesel so there is not much change in our energy habits so the public remains rather indifferent. In fact, we must be a little bit like anybody else in the world concerning GW: a lot of talk, a lot of donothing, inside the frame of a politicised science and a government always looking for inventive ways to hatch new taxes.
A little bit like the joke:
Joe: GW will rock our lives. What's worse for you, unconsciousness or indifference ?
John : Don't know, don't care. Give me another drink.
What people forget is GW would go away, the taxes will remain