Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Whatever one may think of Spencer's views on intelligent design, he is a reputable climatologist, judging by this Google Scholar search. He has published in the leading, peer reviewed, scientific journals of his field, including Science magazine. I agree with Foxfyre here: Spencer's opinion about intelligent design are irrelevant here. And his credentials as a scientist make him an adequate counterexample to the claim that a scientific consensus supports the notion of catastrophic global warming. (The operative word being "catastrophic".)

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Thank you Thomas. Even when we fight, you keep renewing my faith that there are still people left who can be on different sides of an issue and continue to discuss it reasonably.

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Thomas wrote:

Whatever one may think of Spencer's views on intelligent design, he is a reputable climatologist, judging by this Google Scholar search. He has published in the leading, peer reviewed, scientific journals of his field, including Science magazine. I agree with Foxfyre here: Spencer's opinion about intelligent design are irrelevant here. And his credentials as a scientist make him an adequate counterexample to the claim that a scientific consensus supports the notion of catastrophic global warming. (The operative word being "catastrophic".)

Absolutely. Just thought I'd point up the chaps our (well qualified) fellow hangs out with.

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blatham wrote:

Absolutely. Just thought I'd point up the chaps our (well qualified) fellow hangs out with.

Oh I see. So there's no guilt by association thing going on here, any more than with Foxfyre, Gore, and Hansen.

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Thomas wrote:

blatham wrote:
Absolutely. Just thought I'd point up the chaps our (well qualified) fellow hangs out with.

Oh I see. So there's no guilt by association thing going on here, any more than with Foxfyre, Gore, and Hansen.

Guilty as charged on my part, but only because I was goaded into it when it was presumed Hanson is pure as the driven snow while any opposing opinion is suspect on the face of it. Smile

(Also when it is presumed that somebody is automatically guilty just because a disgruntled scientist accuses him/them/it/whatever.)
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

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Thomas wrote:

... And his credentials as a scientist make him an adequate counterexample to the claim that a scientific consensus supports the notion of catastrophic global warming. (The operative word being "catastrophic".)

I believe that is the essential point in this increasingly absurd controversy -- i.e. catastrophic warming. It is unfortunate that the truly interesting and serious question of the increase in CO2 emissions to the atmosphere by human activity is so needlessly clouded with scientifically unsupported claims of tipping points and sudden climactic reversals, and, as well, by the unnecessary denial of the other relatively greater natural factors affecting the result, including atmospheric water vapor and solar activity.

There are many catastrophies that could happen, ranging from the sudden weakening of the earth's magnetic field, to a large meteorite impact, to unusual volcanic activity, or even an ice age inducing decrease in solar activity. However, we don't have any scientific ability to forecast the relative likelihoods of these events or the catastrophes so thoughtlessly predicted by the AGW cultists. That is a less dramatic than the story being sold by Al Gore and British bureaucrats, but it is the truth.

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Walter & Thomas, shame on you guys for wanting to kill a helpless polar bear! If polar bears are going extinct, this isn't going to help.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,260122,00.html

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You think, Thomas and I are feeding him or that one of us is this animal-rights activist who insisted the little bear would have been better off dead than raised by humans?

It's not quite clear for me what you accuse us to do or not to do .... and why you do so: neither Thomas nor I are neither extreme animal rightists nor zoo wardens.

And this is related to climate change exactly how? Too hot/cold in the Berlin zoos due to it?

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Wheres your sense of humor, Walter? I realize you wouldn't do that.

Polar bears are going extinct due to climate change, supposedly, so I thought this thread was appropriate.

Next time you think of us Americans as all being wasteful, remember that.

I would use one of those smiley face icons more to help indicate something is said in humor, but I do not like them at all, even though I have been known to post them once in a while.

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okie wrote:

Polar bears are going extinct due to climate change, supposedly, so I thought this thread was appropriate.

In zoos?

I mean, I certainly would discuss what and why polar bears are kept and how in zoos (they do that quite well in Berlin, I think).

Besides that: humour here on this thread with those regulars here? Never.

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Thomas wrote:

blatham wrote:
Absolutely. Just thought I'd point up the chaps our (well qualified) fellow hangs out with.

Oh I see. So there's no guilt by association thing going on here, any more than with Foxfyre, Gore, and Hansen.

You expect integrity in a situation as dire as this?! Cast off your romantic effluvium and join us down here with the cabbages and slop.

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What aspect of "the situation" is so dire. To what are you referring?

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blatham wrote:

You expect integrity in a situation as dire as this?! Cast off your romantic effluvium and join us down here with the cabbages and slop.

No, I DON'T want to join your campaign in such un-romantic conditions

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Hmm, everyone should mind her/his own business at first?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Hmm, everyone should mind her/his own business at first?

If he was operating on that principle he would sell his SUV, move into a much smaller house, and start taking the bus or train instead of jetting all over the world.

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Well, the green electricity he uses is a start, n'est-ce pas?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, the green electricity he uses is a start, n'est-ce pas?

What green electricity ? In his lush neighbourhood, it is forbidden as yet to install solar panels ! The green part of his electricity is heavily subsided anyway. And he has a no-cow-fart-gaz bill of 1000$/month ! And he buys his carbon offfsets from his own company, in fact, no, he doesn't buy them, his company give him them.
This guy is a crook with a D in science. Just for that, I admire the American people for not electing him.

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Well, I didn't say anything about what you mentioned but that it was "green electricity".

You hardly can blame a conservative town council for not allowing photovoltaiks - or do you? Laughing

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miniTAX wrote:

This guy is a crook with a D in science. Just for that, I admire the American people for not electing him.

Any idea what the other presidents/presidential candidates got in science?

(As an aside: do they use those alphabeth marks in France now as well?)

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