Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

parados wrote:

Yes, the heat goes somewhere else. But that is a result of heat transfer. In order for heat to go somewhere it must have somewhere colder to go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer

If it is warmer then there is LESS heat transfer. Your theory violates the second law of thermodynamics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

Ice is NOT created if the air is warmer than water. It can't be. Simple physics makes it impossible. In order to create ice faster than before the air MUST be colder. It can't be warmer. The minute the air gets WARMER then the ice being created is reduced.

Your theory doesn't work because over 150 years of scientific theory and laws say it doesn't work. You have to remember that there is a rather large energy source, the sun, that is constantly adding energy to the system.

Then NASA is full of crap showing that the temperature around the perimeter of Anarctica has shown a small increase? That can't be happening if the interior of Anarctica is getting colder and the ice is getting thicker which they also say?

All I'm asking is a simple reason for that. And I would prefer one in which Wikipedia isn't the only source.

Well I'll give Parados a gold star for at least attempting to answer my question about heat transfer when water is freezing and/or ice is becoming colder than it was. I don't see how that can happen without heat being moved from the water or ice to someplace else. And I don't see why that someplace else can't be the perimeter around Anarctica since nobody seems to be disputing that the ice on Anarctica is thickening and becoming colder. That would explain why the recent trend is a slightly higher temperature around the perimeter of Anarctica at this time.

Of course the converse theory is that the higher temperatures are creating more precipitation which is creating a colder interior. But it is just a theory because they honestly don't know.

So my theory looks pretty good.

That's right they did and I was remiss in not mentioning it. I don't know any more about that than I know of the other theory. I do know that Anarctica is one of the most studied regions in the world, however, and given how they track the ozone layers and the changing conditions of the ice and the winds and the temperature etc., you would think they wouldn't have to guess so much about those things.

The one theory they didn't propose is that the phenomenon may be one of those natural cyclical fluctuations to be expected in the grand scheme of things.

So what do you think about it?

Foxfyre wrote:

Well I'll give Parados a gold star for at least attempting to answer my question about heat transfer when water is freezing and/or ice is becoming colder than it was. I don't see how that can happen without heat being moved from the water or ice to someplace else. And I don't see why that someplace else can't be the perimeter around Anarctica since nobody seems to be disputing that the ice on Anarctica is thickening and becoming colder. That would explain why the recent trend is a slightly higher temperature around the perimeter of Anarctica at this time.

Of course the converse theory is that the higher temperatures are creating more precipitation which is creating a colder interior. But it is just a theory because they honestly don't know.

So my theory looks pretty good.

Let me repeat for those that didn't get it the first time....

Global warming does NOT change the orbit or rotation of the earth.

parados wrote:

Let me repeat for those that didn't get it the first time....

Global warming does NOT change the orbit or rotation of the earth.

Did anyone say it does? I rarely visit this thead these days, so I may have missed it.

I have seen theories expressed that from time to time the Earth does wobble on its axis and/or the magnetic center shifts and that this is one theory for massive climate shifts in the history of the Earth.

Even if the earth warms 10 degrees the seasons will not go away because the earth's orbit and rotational tilt are the reason.

I am still amazed by the scientific ignorance of many.

precession of the equinoxes

What really amazes me are psychic predictions.

I have seen theories expressed that from time to time the Earth does wobble on its axis and/or the magnetic center shifts and that this is one theory for massive climate shifts in the history of the Earth.