Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Good grief. If nobody ever believed in miracles, believe now. I'm agreeing with Cyclop against Georgeob1 on this one.

I don't know if what we view as the universe is finite or not. I can accept that it can scientifically be shown to be so. But no science here can yet say what lies beyond what we call the universe either. We know only an immeasurably tiny amount of all there is to know.

I suspect that is more the case than not in the global warming controversy too.

Foxfyre wrote:

Good grief. If nobody ever believed in miracles, believe now. I'm agreeing with Cyclop against Georgeob1 on this one.

I don't know if what we view as the universe is finite or not. I can accept that it can scientifically be shown to be so. But no science here can yet say what lies beyond what we call the universe either. We know only an immeasurably tiny amount of all there is to know.

I suspect that is more the case than not in the global warming controversy too.

The universe really is known to be finite - to the extent that it can be understood and modelled. Physics is as yet incomplete in its ability to codify all that is observed in the known universe, and cannot exclude various possibilities such as quantum multiverses, dark matter and anti matter. Despite the size, age and complexity of the universe, one of its most remarkable features is the relative simplicity and uniformity of the physical laws it is observed to obey everywhere.

I believe the universe has a creator, but I don't believe the earth was visited by extraterrestrial beings in Roswell NM in 1956.

Good grief. If nobody ever believed in miracles, believe now. I'm agreeing with Cyclop against Georgeob1 on this one.

I don't know if what we view as the universe is finite or not. I can accept that it can scientifically be shown to be so. But no science here can yet say what lies beyond what we call the universe either. We know only an immeasurably tiny amount of all there is to know.

I suspect that is more the case than not in the global warming controversy too.

I think I have always believed in the concept of infinity, that God is infinite, so is the creation, etc., and infinite time as well, which is otherwise known as eternity. As we learn more and more, the circle of our knowledge touching the unknown grows larger, thus the more we discover as part of the unknown, and the more we realize we don't know.

UK'S FIVE WARMEST YEARS
Annual mean temperatures:
2006 - 9.73C (49.5F)
2003 - 9.51C (49.12F)
2004 - 9.48C (49.1F)
2002 - 9.48C (49.1F)
2005 - 9.46C (49.0F)


Winter 'second warmest on record'


The UK has experienced its second warmest winter on record, with a mean temperature of 5.47C (41.8F), provisional Met Office figures show.

The CET had recorded a mean temperature of 11.22C (52.20F) for the 12-month period from March 2006 to the end of February 2007, which was the warmest year-long period on record.

"It is very carefully monitored and statistically handled so you can compare yesterday with 348 years ago," said Met Office meteorologist Wayne Elliott. "Therefore it is a good measure of changes to the climate."

The Met Office's figures for the UK from the beginning of December to the end of February showed that the winter had not only been warmer, but also wetter than average.

This matched the sort of conditions that the UK was expected to experience as a result of climate change

georgeob1 wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Good grief. If nobody ever believed in miracles, believe now. I'm agreeing with Cyclop against Georgeob1 on this one.

I don't know if what we view as the universe is finite or not. I can accept that it can scientifically be shown to be so. But no science here can yet say what lies beyond what we call the universe either. We know only an immeasurably tiny amount of all there is to know.

I suspect that is more the case than not in the global warming controversy too.

The universe really is known to be finite - to the extent that it can be understood and modelled. Physics is as yet incomplete in its ability to codify all that is observed in the known universe, and cannot exclude various possibilities such as quantum multiverses, dark matter and anti matter. Despite the size, age and complexity of the universe, one of its most remarkable features is the relative simplicity and uniformity of the physical laws it is observed to obey everywhere.

I believe the universe has a creator, but I don't believe the earth was visited by extraterrestrial beings in Roswell NM in 1956.

Is that because you know it was July 1947?

BBC wrote:

UK'S FIVE WARMEST YEARS
Annual mean temperatures:
2006 - 9.73C (49.5F)
2003 - 9.51C (49.12F)
2004 - 9.48C (49.1F)
2002 - 9.48C (49.1F)
2005 - 9.46C (49.0F)


Winter 'second warmest on record'


The UK has experienced its second warmest winter on record, with a mean temperature of 5.47C (41.8F), provisional Met Office figures show.

The CET had recorded a mean temperature of 11.22C (52.20F) for the 12-month period from March 2006 to the end of February 2007, which was the warmest year-long period on record.

"It is very carefully monitored and statistically handled so you can compare yesterday with 348 years ago," said Met Office meteorologist Wayne Elliott. "Therefore it is a good measure of changes to the climate."

The Met Office's figures for the UK from the beginning of December to the end of February showed that the winter had not only been warmer, but also wetter than average.

This matched the sort of conditions that the UK was expected to experience as a result of climate change

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6401063.stm

European annual, winter and summer temperature deviations (in °C, expressed as 10 year mean compared with the 1961-1990 average)




source: Het Koninklijk Nederlands Meteorologisch Instituut (KNMI)

Thanks for the info but it still doesn't cover over 300 years ago.

European annual, winter and summer temperature deviations (in °C, expressed as 10 year mean compared with the 1961-1990 average)

If we use data like that as significant, it seems all this environmental consciousness is what is causing global warming.

If we use data like that as significant, it seems all this environmental consciousness is what is causing global warming.

Walter, I would watch this closely, and I would be quite worried if I were you, as it appears the curves might be peaking out right now?

okie wrote:

Walter, I would watch this closely, and I would be quite worried if I were you, as it appears the curves might be peaking out right now?

It depend if the Nasa and the CRU, responsible for collecting and "homogenizing" data decide to cook temperatures or not.

In fact our recent successes in reducing emissions of sulfur & nitrous oxides and particulate matter have contributed significantly to improving the transmissivity of the atmosphere to solar warming. This is indeed one of the significant factors in the recent rise.