Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

parados wrote:

Why was the high month in Sept in 2005?
Anyone want to bet that Gore and his family weren't there in August-Sept of 2005? A quick google search shows Gore was in New Orleans aiding victims of Katrina and then on the west coast for speaking engagements in early Sept. Why don't you guys complain that Gore wasted energy by paying to fly a bunch of Katrina victims to Tennessee.

Oh poor Gore. He was far away from home helping News Orleans BEFORE it was struck by Katrina which made his macmansion consume only 19x the american household average instead of 20x. Lets drop a tear

parados wrote:

But then of course the story doesn't compare average temperatures from year to year either. Something my electric company does on its bills which makes it easy to make the comparison. Care to place a bet that the summer months in 2005 were significantly hotter than in 2006?

I'm on. But before making wild speculation, please consult the number of heating degre.day here . So bad, 2005 is BELOW average.

Katrina, exceptional hot summer, cooked numbers, what would you find next to excuse Gore's extravagant hypocrysie, Parados ?

No, the consensus was not cooling. Media stories don't make science, they sell magazines.

Weather warnings in the '70s from "reputable researchers" worried policy-makers so much that scientists at a National Academy of Sciences meeting "proposed the evacuation of some six million people" from parts of Africa, reported the Times on Dec. 29, 1974.

That article went on to tell of the costly and unnecessary plans of the old Soviet Union. It diverted time from Cold War activities to scheme about diverting the coming cold front.

It had plans to reroute "large Siberian rivers, melting Arctic ice and damming the Bering Strait" to help warm the "frigid fringes of the Soviet Union."

Nothing solid, just looking at the history of earth. Wasn't the earth partially covered in ice about 10,000 years ago?

Early Monday, after several weeks of marathon negotiations that brought together both environmentalists and Wall Street bankers, TXU announced that its board of directors had approved the bid from Kohlberg Kravis and Texas Pacific for about $45 billion, which would be the largest buyout in history.

The deal was noteworthy not just for its size, but for the confluence of business decisions and environmental concerns that drove the ultimate transaction. Because private equity firms are unregulated and historically have valued their privacy, neither Kohlberg Kravis nor Texas Pacific were eager to become an "enemy combatant" of the environmental groups, people involved in the talks said. Reducing the coal plant initiative will also free up billions of dollars in planned spending that the firms will be able to use for other projects or to help finance the transaction...

Goldman Sachs has been a longtime proponent of reducing carbon emissions. Its former chief executive, Henry M. Paulson, now the secretary of the treasury, was also the chairman of the Nature Conservancy, an environmental activist group.

Texas Pacific's co-founder, David Bonderman, is member of the board of the World Wildlife Fund, and Mr. Reilly is chairman emeritus. Mr. Bonderman called Mr. Reilly to help work on the deal and create what they ultimately called The Green Group, a committee of advisers that included Mr. Reilly, Roger Ballentine of Green Strategies and Stuart E. Eizenstat, the former chief domestic policy adviser for President Jimmy Carter.

"We didn't want to be on the wrong side of history," said a person involved in the bidding group who was not authorized to talk about the transaction before its formal announcement.

Some years back, a group of American fundamentalists brought in a creation science promoter to debate a local biologist on the subject of Darwinian evolution. The biologist stepped up to the podium and began, "This debate was held 150 years ago. You lost."

And you guys, fox, minitax, etc have lost this one. It actually doesn't even matter now whether chaps like Hansen have it right, enough of the developed world increasingly believes it so. That is a vector which is no longer stoppable.

blatham wrote:

Some years back, a group of American fundamentalists brought in a creation science promoter to debate a local biologist on the subject of Darwinian evolution. The biologist stepped up to the podium and began, "This debate was held 150 years ago. You lost."

And you guys, fox, minitax, etc have lost this one. It actually doesn't even matter now whether chaps like Hansen have it right, enough of the developed world increasingly believes it so. That is a vector which is no longer stoppable.

So if more and more people believe a flying saucer landed at Roswell, then its a fact, right blatham?

Some years back, a group of American fundamentalists brought in a creation science promoter to debate a local biologist on the subject of Darwinian evolution. The biologist stepped up to the podium and began, "This debate was held 150 years ago. You lost."

And you guys, fox, minitax, etc have lost this one. It actually doesn't even matter now whether chaps like Hansen have it right, enough of the developed world increasingly believes it so. That is a vector which is no longer stoppable.

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Early Monday, after several weeks of marathon negotiations that brought together both environmentalists and Wall Street bankers, TXU announced that its board of directors had approved the bid from Kohlberg Kravis and Texas Pacific for about $45 billion, which would be the largest buyout in history.

The deal was noteworthy not just for its size, but for the confluence of business decisions and environmental concerns that drove the ultimate transaction. Because private equity firms are unregulated and historically have valued their privacy, neither Kohlberg Kravis nor Texas Pacific were eager to become an "enemy combatant" of the environmental groups, people involved in the talks said. Reducing the coal plant initiative will also free up billions of dollars in planned spending that the firms will be able to use for other projects or to help finance the transaction...

Goldman Sachs has been a longtime proponent of reducing carbon emissions. Its former chief executive, Henry M. Paulson, now the secretary of the treasury, was also the chairman of the Nature Conservancy, an environmental activist group.

Texas Pacific's co-founder, David Bonderman, is member of the board of the World Wildlife Fund, and Mr. Reilly is chairman emeritus. Mr. Bonderman called Mr. Reilly to help work on the deal and create what they ultimately called The Green Group, a committee of advisers that included Mr. Reilly, Roger Ballentine of Green Strategies and Stuart E. Eizenstat, the former chief domestic policy adviser for President Jimmy Carter.

"We didn't want to be on the wrong side of history," said a person involved in the bidding group who was not authorized to talk about the transaction before its formal announcement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/business/26coal.html

As Sorkin pointed out on PBS News last night, the execs at Goldman Sachs drive home in bio-diesel limos.

Foxfyre, hi how are doing lately? If I am correct, I think I heard the other day that polls show that an increasing percentage of people believe in the paranormal, things like flying saucers, extra-terrestrial abductions, sasquatch, etc. etc.

Foxfyre, hi how are doing lately? If I am correct, I think I heard the other day that polls show that an increasing percentage of people believe in the paranormal, things like flying saucers, extra-terrestrial abductions, sasquatch, etc. etc.

I'm doing just famously despite a seriously cracked rib Okie.

'Flying saucers' really aren't anything crazy to believe in per se.

If you honestly believe that the universe is infinitely big (which there does seem to be a good amount of evidence for) then there must be an infinite amount of variation in it, and this naturally would lead to some other form of intelligent life.

The real stretch? Believing that they would have any reason to come all this way, just to see us...

Cycloptichorn

I'm doing just famously despite a seriously cracked rib Okie. So long as I don't breath I do well though. As for the paranormal, I am a fan if not always a believer in all the claimed phenomena. I work late nights a lot and tune in George Noury or Art Bell who seem to collect a whole lot of the true nuts out there--one recently claimed to be a horse in a human body--but I am also in the school that teaches we know only a tiny fraction of all there is to know.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

'Flying saucers' really aren't anything crazy to believe in per se.

If you honestly believe that the universe is infinitely big (which there does seem to be a good amount of evidence for) then there must be an infinite amount of variation in it, and this naturally would lead to some other form of intelligent life.

The real stretch? Believing that they would have any reason to come all this way, just to see us...

Cycloptichorn

Actually the universe is conclusively known to be finite, both in space and time. (That's why it gets dark at night.) It is very large and old by human scales of length and time, but finite.

However, it doesn't surprise me that a Democrat believes in flying saucers.

blatham wrote:

Some years back, a group of American fundamentalists brought in a creation science promoter to debate a local biologist on the subject of Darwinian evolution. The biologist stepped up to the podium and began, "This debate was held 150 years ago. You lost."

And you guys, fox, minitax, etc have lost this one. It actually doesn't even matter now whether chaps like Hansen have it right, enough of the developed world increasingly believes it so. That is a vector which is no longer stoppable.

So if more and more people believe a flying saucer landed at Roswell, then its a fact, right blatham?