What, exactly, is the rationale for establishing "sanctuary cities?"

Well, they left Mexico in 1829... so I would say that they had no loyalty to Mexico.

They joined the US in 1945 and then seceded from the US in 1861 and fought against the US in the Civil War.

So maybe for 16 years between 1845 and 1861 they were loyal because during that time they could own slaves. We don't actually know what their level of loyalty was during those long 16 years, but they sure gave it up pretty fast.

In any point, Texas described itself as representing the supremacy of the White race. And there decision to leave both Mexico and the US had to do with slavery (they left Mexico the very year that slavery was abolished).

This discussion is amusing me. But we are driving poor Finn mad.

Texas was "founded" in 1519 by Spaniards, who aint exactly white.

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Texas was "founded" in 1519 by Spaniards, who aint exactly white.

I just want to check... do you know where the country of Spain is located? I don't know of anyone who doesn't think that the Spanish Conquistadors weren't White.

MEChA isn’t at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in “El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan” (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan): "....For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

That closing two-sentence motto says: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

If these MEChA quotes were coming from some fringe website, Americans could at least console themselves that it was just a small group of nuts behind it. Nearly every racial and ethnic group has some shady characters and positions in its past and some unbalanced individuals today claiming racial superiority and demanding separatism.

But this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.

MEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as “Aztlan” — a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America. As such, it belongs to the followers of MEChA. These are all areas America should surrender to “La Raza” once enough immigrants, legal or illegal, enter to claim a majority, as in Los Angeles.

The current borders of the United States will simply be extinguished. The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of “Aztlan.”

As Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge’s MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: “The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled — opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power.”

Former MEChA members include Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was officially endorsed by La Raza for mayor. California Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante is also a former MEChA member. He delivered the keynote address at La Raza’s 2002 Annual Convention.

One of America’s greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

“Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we…should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot…Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas … It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny.” (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

Today MEChA is a leading campus advocacy group for illegal immigrants. The organization supports open borders; government benefits (including the right to vote) for non-citizens; state recognition of Spanish as an official language of the U.S.; racial preferences and set-asides for Hispanics in education and corporate hiring; taxpayer-funded welfare outlays and public education for illegal aliens; and ultimately, amnesty or a path-to-citizenship for illegals.

By supporting continued high levels of Mexican immigration to the United States, MEChA hopes to flood the Southwestern U.S. with enough immigrants to establish a numerical majority and thereby achieve the “reconquista” which would represent the fulfillment of EPEA's credo: “Where we are a majority we will control; where we are a minority we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we represent one party: La Familia de Raza.”

Its violent language about America’s alleged anti Hispanic bigotry has made MEChA a potent force on school campuses nationwide: the organization boasts hundreds of chapters in universities across the United States. It has also established a number of chapters in public high schools, routinely encouraging its young supporters to participate in political protests and marches. Like so many of its comrades on the left, MEChA has become expert in dressing up its own vile racism as a commitment to a nebulous something-or-other called “social justice.

An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States. The rest were unsure.

69 percent of people in Mexico also felt that the Mexican government should represent the interests of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) in the United States.

A June 2002 Zogby poll of Mexicans found that a substantial majority of Mexican citizens believe that southwestern America is rightfully the territory of Mexico and that Mexicans do not need the permission of the U.S. to enter. The poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28 percent disagreed, while another 14 percent said they weren't sure.

When citizens and non-citizens of Mexican origin are taken together, 55 percent consider themselves Mexican, 25 percent Latino or Hispanic, and only 18 percent American.

According to a 2006 poll conducted by Investor’s Business Daily, only 19 percent of Hispanics spoke mostly or only English at home. Eighty-one percent spoke only or mostly Spanish.

Early immigrants tried to learn English and American ways but once there were enough Hispanics to create a parallel society, many gave up the effort.

I am not sure if the cherry-picked statistics you are throwing out answer the question, if they are irrelevant. The question is, what percentage of Hispanic Americans hate America?

The statistics you are throwing around suggest that this number is about 70-75% of Hispanic Americans are disloyal to the United States. Is this what you believe?

The argument you are making is that Hispanic Americans are a threat to national security, so this number is important to understand.

So, do the statistics you are throwing around support a view that at least 70% of Hispanic Americans are disloyal to the country? That is the argument that you seem to be making.

It's just a tad disingenuous to demand statistics and then dismiss them when provided.

Let's be very clear here.

What Layman is arguing is that there is a sinister plot, supported by the great majority of Hispanic Americans as well as Bill DiBlasio of New York and Rahm Emmanuel of Chicago, to rebel against the US government and set up an ethnically pure new country, called Atzlan, where all other races will be excluded.

CALEXIT: THE 'YES CALIFORNIA' INDEPENDENCE BID RETURNS





The Calexit campaign led by Yes California will relaunch their ballot initiative on February 14. The corresponding slogan: "Valentine's Day in America sees the most divorces. Perfect time for us."

In 2018, the Calexit movement will try to gather hundreds of thousands of signatures in order to land on the ballot in 2019. The proposal would repeal sections of the state constitution that recognize the U.S. Constitution as the "supreme law of the land" and declare California an inseparable state.

"There’s a huge culture difference between Americans in California. That’s very obvious. Even those who don’t support Calexit understand that there really does seem to be a difference.”

I am pretty sure that is what you said.

If not, please state clearly what you really believe about Atzlan as supported by the majority of Hispanic Americans.