What is Evangelism?

I would agree with you and say, “teaching evolution without at least considering an intelligent initiation of the system is intolerant, ignorant and arrogant and such intolerance needs to be purged from our educational system by allowing ID to be taught alongside atheistic evolution..

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This is evangelism today...

Please Franklin, quote me chapter and verse of Jesus speaking even one word against gays.

Franklin must be reading a different Bible. One that says to cast homophobe stones... Those who protest the loudest against gays are usually closet queens...

Brian, evolution is proven science that was proven though a myriad of methods, observation and analysis; anthropology, biology, DNA, medical science, chemistry and the list goes on and on.

It started out as theory and as a mountain of "proof" was uncovered that theory became hard and irrefutable scientific fact.

Intelligent design in not a theory at all... it is still speculation and no proof can measure the intelligence of "God"...

For even the Bible says God's foolishness is our intelligence.

Our intelligence says flat earth but God's intelligence says round earth our intelligence says creationism and God's Intelligence says evolution...

Yet the Bible (which I doubt you have spent much study in) is also one source that also supports evolution.

The Bible does not say God "created" man from the dust of the ground...

The Bible says God "formed" man from the dust of the ground.

Exactly how many forms did God use before finishing man? Well evolution tells us that exact answer.

To deny evolution is to deny intelligent design.

Maybe you should read the Bible before you decide what intelligent design is.

Science has revealed the methods of our evolution from dust to humanity. While religion wants to turn us back into that dust of speculation and guessing. Religion needs dumb not intelligent people. The Bible clearly teaches evolution, but it does not teach intelligent design. Churches use intelligent design to twist science to their own will. They ignore the Bible and have carved out their own flat earth/creationism and call themselves pro life when they are pro death, these forms of human intelligence contradict the Bible and thus contradicts the intelligence of God's way of life.

So to teach their "creationism" is to ignore the truth of the Bible.

The Bible says, "let the earth bring forth"... That is evolution and therefore evolution would be intelligent design.

Creationism is stupid design that only fools would believe.

Science is already teaching intelligent design, based upon analysis, observation, rigorous methodology across a plethora of sciences and disciplines. Stupid design is not being able to even read the Bible right then imposing outlandish ideas in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

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Not a criticism btw.

Are you saying God was using evolution when he formed man?

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If God had wanted to use the word "created" when making the human body, he/she would have used it.

But no, the book of Genesis used the word "formed". Evolution uses the word formed too.

I am not saying this, the Bible is saying this.

God only uses the world created when talking about human spirit.

Got created man in his own image. What image is God? Spirit. The Bible says spirit has, "no form nor comeliness".

Isaiah 53:2
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Some might say that formed, made and created mean the same thing...

Then why did the Bible use them all in the same verse if they all mean the same thing?

Because they mean different things.

Creationists do not care to understand what the book is trying to say because they do not read it with a scientific precision but they see it with a mind of foolish beliefs and outlandish self-imposed ideas.

God "formed" the body
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground

God "made" the soul life (breath life)
1 Corinthians 15 :45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul

God "created" the spirit (spirit life)
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,

Isaiah 43:7
Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

If all three of these words meant the same thing they would not have been used in different ways and all in the same sentence together.

This is what happens when one studies the bible with a mathematical and scientific mind they get truth rather than fables.

Evolution states that the body was formed from the dust of the ground.

The bodies took on many forms before they "human" body was perfected.

Life was breathed into Adam's nostrils and he became a "living soul" versus a dead soul.

God then "created" Adam with a spirit.

The spirit was the only thing God created with humans, the body was formed and the soul was made...

body= formed
soul=made
spirit=created

BTW soul and spirit do not mean the same thing...

So creationism is only one third of what the Bible is saying.

Science would never argue with a theologian whether if God "created" the spirit or not because science cannot see or measure the spirit.

Science can only measure the effects or works of the spirit.

The Bible clearly and without a doubt teaches evolution concerning the body...

Evolution is intelligent design.

Genesis 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind...

THAT is evolution!

Someone has been here to vote our threads down, it was not me.

Perhaps one of my haters. A Trump voter no less.

Do you think God used intelligence when he formed man from the dust of the earth?

Do you think DNA was a dumb idea on God's part? Billions of proteins, mitochondrial DNA and the cell structure for plants and animals, trillions of gut flora, all evolving from dust?

Quite a feat I would say.

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Yes quite a feat. Could never happen by chance

Nobody knows anything resembling n answer to that baseless question. I do know that the desert dwellers who first made up the entire story used some form of creativity to compile it and develop the "once upon a time" story line.

The desert dwellers didn't make it up they heard it from Adam or Noah. And They heard it from God .

right. I forgot . Did God keep cpming back to make various textual adjsutments? Which addition ya think he was really pushing for?

The true one. But when you're dealing with oral traditions it's not always easy to find the exact truth. That's why you got a look at multiple sources including the fossil record and archaeology and maybe even theoretical physics. But it's hard to get cross references from other fields when people don't want to step on others toes when it comes to fields of expertise.

Once the common belief was that demons invaded bodies and then people became sick and died. Now we know that what was once considered demons are bad bacteria, viruses, fungus and genetic disposition...

Once the common belief was that God's angels held the sun in the sky all day long and lowered it and then raised the moon in its place at night. Now we know that it is gravity and the orbits of the moon and earth that cause night and day.

Once it was thought that God simply snapped his/her fingers and created humans. Now it is known that over millions of years we evolved from chemicals (dust) into tiny simple organisms and then into more complex beings.

And now you want to believe that it was God who set the universe in its place.

We do know that a big bang started this universe due to background radiation and our telescopes that can peer back into the beginning of time as we know it.

These telescopes have not seen God yet, the microbiologists have not seen God in their microscopes and the physicists have not found God in the gravity that holds the moon and sun in place. Not a single trace...

If you want to ascribe this all to Gods and demons well, "chance" has been going on for billions of years and without the real need for intercession. In fact is seems chance rules the cosmos.

The problem with claims of God being behind things like sickness, astronomy and the beginnings of our humanity is that they "were" only speculation and they had no provable basis of fact.

Herbalists have been burnt at the stake based upon more proof than your theory of God supports...

It is not impossible that chance has been the catalyst of life all along.

Chance does not have to be intelligent to occasionally get things right.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Provide some evidence.
A broken clock cannot tell time at all. You need another working clock to tell when the broken clock is right.

Matter is energy in order and all order is thought up by intelligence.

actually that passage COUNTERs evolution. It presumes sudden appearance and "fully formed" creatures, not common ancestry and divergence (or convergence)