msolga wrote:rykehaven
A family of devout Coptic Christians was murdered in New Jersey. Although there is no clear indication yet as to the identity of the murderer, there is speculation that it could be a disgruntled former tenant or participants of an internet forum who disagreed with the religious views expressed by the father in debate.
I'm really not quite sure what you're trying to say here.
That's because I'm a long-winded American with No editing skills who beats around the bush.
I don't need to read this, and maybe you don't either.
But some people do. Believe me.
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To this day, 9/11 was a watershed event in more ways than one. This is especially and obviously true in the shadow, or absence, of the Twin Towers: New York City and the region surrounding it like New Jersey.
There are Three Poles that the Muslim community gyrates towards regarding the 9/11 attacks. The First posits that the attacks were carried out by Islamic radicals bent on destroying America. It's a weak Pole. Few NY/NJ Muslims gravitate to this belief and fewer are outspoken about it. Hopefully that will change with time.
Followers of the Second Pole believe that the United States had it coming...that the 9/11 attacks were justified, a sign that Allah was on their side and was not indifferent to the plight of Muslims. It was the will of Allah Almighty. This sentiment is pretty much in tune with a story an AG once told me about his time in 5th fleet HQ. After the 9/11 attacks hit, the atmosphere around the base, the Muslims who he thought he knew, changed dramatically. They were far more confident, ebullient ----- and hostile, around foreigners and especially around Americans. They had their pride back, and took pride in what the 9/11 Hijackers did. To them, it was a strike back at the Empire like the Battle of Midway, not a sneak attack like Pearl Harbor. Seeing the devastation, Muslims took ownership of it and embraced the Hijackers as their heroes. They were not alone in doing so, of course.
When the Towers fell, the American Empire was on the verge of collapse. When the United States declared that Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban were responsible for the attacks, we had nobody to blame but ourselves - and not enough proof. When the US military deployed, we were about to murder thousands of people, making millions more refugees. When the opening salvos were launched in Afghanistan, we were in a unilateral quagmire, a graveyard of empires awaiting the next arrogant superpower. When we were defeated in Mazar E Sharif, America had squandered the International Community's sympathy. When Americans froze in the brutal winter, the Afghans had us Right where they wanted us. When American soldiers were slaughtered in Kabul, our Air Force slaughtered countless unarmed men, women and children. In October, we had our last gasp.
By November, the Afghans had vanquished their enemy----
----the Taliban. They cheered in the streets and jubilantly fired shots into the air, having been delivered by their liberators ---- The Northern Alliance. Europeans stood resolute and defiant in the face of an obvious psycho and terrorist ---- Osama Bin Laden (Not Bush). Mettle and resolve had been tested and proven amid great adversity ---- The West won. The validation of the International Community's will was complete ---- the UN was victorious.
And NY/NJ Muslims? The Second Pole weakened. The hijackers were evil, though "evil" was subjective. 9/11 was terrible --- horrible --- No one ever believed otherwise. The Muslim terrorists were not practicing Islam. In fact, they weren't even Muslim.
They were Joos.
This is the Third and most alluring Pole for NY/NJ Muslims. Throughout the Afghan war, up until it ended with the destruction of the Taliban, the press repeatedly insinuated or stated outright that there was no proof that Islamic terrorists and/or Osama Bin Laden took down the World Trade Center. That was the more benign assertion, if any attempted cover-up of the worst terrorist attack on our shores can be called benign. Those sentiments never died in the wider world (they flourish), not even in the US. And not in New Jersey.
But the worst was yet to come: The more conspiracy-minded identified the parties that most benefited from the 9/11 attacks (as they saw it). Some tried to claim that the real culprits of the suicide attacks were right-wing fanatics like George Bush. Others claimed our President knew about the attacks and encouraged or turned a blind eye to them, then reaped political capital amidst the ruins. But most Muslims in New Jersey believe that, although the former and the latter had a hand in 9/11, the true benefactor, and by extension the perpetrator of the attacks, was (is) Israel.
Some Muslims aspire to the Second Pole believing that America deserved 9/11 --- but above all, Muslim terrorists weren't responsible. Some grudgingly tell you that Osama Bin Laden was responsible ala the First Pole, then lapse into rationalizations that we're doing exactly what the Mossad wants. Often, they quibble about the "evidence" (with Big scare quotes). But most will now tell you with a straight face (without shame or embarrassment) that they believe a Jewish Conspiracy is responsible. It's amazing (to us), but true. There isn't a library to hold all the conspiracy theories and articles of paranoia that the Muslims unabashedly hold up. There's a cottage industry. Snoop around any place where there are Muslims, and it's not hard to find.
No, they're not the only ones. No ethnic group is Monolithic. Someone should be judged according to his/her personal merits. Unfortunately, the Muslims don't agree. I don't call them a Community because I think they are. I call them that because they think are and keep telling us they are. The conspiracy theories are conventional wisdom among Muslims. It's why, in New Jersey and New York, in the shadow of 9/11, there is a chasm that can't be crossed.
My Aunt (ever the understanding one) gave me some insight (Sort of). It has become her common method not to say that the Terrorists were Islamic (I gagged). Instead, she tries to convince them that the Terrorists were not Jewish. But she ran into immediate problems. Telling a Jersey Muslim that the Hijackers were not Jewish is like telling a Jew that the Hijackers were not Muslim. So who were they? The obvious implication to the latter is that they were Jewish, just as the implication of the former is that they were Muslim, and the Muslims feel that they are being libeled (well, my Aunt says so). I can't understand her patience.
Paraphrased Question: "Why would the Israelis attack the U.S.?"
Paraphrased Response: "You think the Hijackers were Muslim? Why do you hate Arabs?"
Not surprisingly, Jews usually don't identify themselves near the possibility of Muslim company. Unless they're looking for broken limbs. What? Never heard of it? No articles? It doesn't happen?
Bull.
Sure, you'll see a few Rabbis espousing understanding and brotherhood with an Imam, smiling for the cameras. (I love All of our out-of-touch Elites. It's Valentine's Day) But no sensible person in the same zip code as NY/NJ Muslims would identify himself as Jewish unless - once again - he is ready for a beat-down or Criminally Ignorant.
But you don't need me to tell you that. As I recall, one port in Australia had a Muslim Community we were told to stay away from (near Darwin?) The threat to us was considered High for that reason. Then again, perhaps US Naval Intelligence (and Common Sense) was wrong. Somebody should go there and find out by wearing a Star of David. Or an American Flag. Or an Israeli one.
(On second thought: Don't. I don't want anybody on my conscience)
Yes. There are plenty of Muslims who have murdered their wives, in fact Any female relative if they have engaged sexually with another man, even if it is rape and even if it is by another family member. My cousin's friends thought that Muslim girls don't like Non-Muslim boys because several gave them the cold-shoulder. That may be true. However, they later learned that if a Muslim girl were to date a Non-Muslim her father, brother or concerned Imam might mark her for death to protect their Honor (and her's). If she were to marry someone outside their religion or worse, Convert, it would be Shameful or Unholy or something, and she would be as good as dead.
Not true?
I don't care how PC or sensitive the JCPD, NYPD and all the other PDs get. Make no mistake, I respect the men in blue. But word gets out eventually. Assault is easy for the media to cover-up. Murder, less so - though perhaps with some tidbits expunged. Like the criminal's religion and his motivation.
Robbery, my @$$ (Pardon, I'm not directing that at you).
Money wasn't the target. The family was. My Uncle was furious because he couldn't understand why the Media thought he was stupid enough to believe them; that the Armanious family was murdered for their Money. Why put up such an obvious charade? When I hung up, I already knew the answer; my Uncle wasn't the target of the lies. No, the Media could never fool a local, not even a dumb one. Nobody's fooled. Not the Copts. Not other Christians. Not the Jews. Not the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Atheists, the Wiccans, and perhaps, not even the Muslims. But they can fool everyone else because they have the Megaphones. And they're annoyingly obnoxious and difficult to ignore.
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