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How does the Bible show that not all good people will go to heaven?

 
 
Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 10:47 am
Here is another topic upon which the Bible sheds a great deal of light. It is commonly believed that all good people will go to heaven. But is this supported in the Bible?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 11:50 am
@anthony1312002,
According to the bible in Hebrews chapter 11, verses 39 & 40, nobody goes to Heaven.

After going through a list of people from the past, it is stated as follows:

39: "and these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise."

40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:10 pm
@Sturgis,
Excellent research point. None of these of pre-Christian times listed went to heaven as the apostle states. But there is an interesting point made by the apostle at Revelation 5:9, 10 that deals with those who live during the Christian Era which states:

"9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."

This indicates that at some point in the future, various ones will be selected from among mankind to participate in the above activities. But not all. It seems that these ones will be ruling over those who who do not have this privilege. Jesus highland Matthew 5:5 where he quoted psalm 37:29 which states that the righteous will possess the earth.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:18 pm
@anthony1312002,
An interesting take. However, it doesn't say that any souls are going to heaven, just that some will rule over the Earth. It is as if God will be putting them in as caretakers. By doing that, God could later rescind that gift and either take charge again or give it to another.
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2017 12:57 pm
@Sturgis,
Very nice. I really enjoy talking with reasonable people who are willing to dig into things and not just accept what they are told.

The connection is made regarding these ones going to heaven in chapter 14 in particular vs 3. These 144,000 individuals do not represent all of those who will be saved but simply those taken from the earth for this specific purpose to benefit the rest of mankind.

Regarding Zion, we see the apostle talking not about the earthly Zion but the heavenly Zion concerning which Hebrew Christians were told: “But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant.” (Heb 12:22-24) It is evidently on this heavenly Mount Zion that the Lamb, Christ Jesus, stands with the 144,000 who have been purchased from the earth
PUNKEY
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2017 01:20 pm
@anthony1312002,
I lived next door to a guy who thought he would be one of the 144,000 chosen ones.

He was a devote Jehovah Witness.
anthony1312002
 
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Reply Wed 11 Oct, 2017 08:52 am
@PUNKEY,
Interesting. Do you have any conversations with him?
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cameronleon
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2017 08:55 pm
@anthony1312002,
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The connection is made regarding these ones going to heaven in chapter 14 in particular vs 3. These 144,000 individuals do not represent all of those who will be saved but simply those taken from the earth for this specific purpose to benefit the rest of mankind.


That is not what the bible says.

Revelation 14

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion,

and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

In no place says they were pulled to heaven.

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Regarding Zion, we see the apostle talking not about the earthly Zion but the heavenly Zion concerning which Hebrew Christians were told: “But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant.” (Heb 12:22-24)


Approached doesn't mean they reached or they arrived or they finally settled in Mount Zion,. heavenly Jerusalem, etc.

Approach means to come near, to come close to something.

It is a figurative language by the apostle, and in the book of Revelation what is "seen" by the apostle is to be interpreted, not so taken literally because it's a prophesy.



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