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Teaching my child sign language

 
 
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:34 am
This is true.
So do you think it is harmful to give her food when she uses " more " ?( not that i will ignore her signs .. but ) is that reinforcing the confusion, or aiding to the self power of asking for what she wants?
Im thinking it is both, but hard for me to lean twords either reason.?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:40 am
Don't overthink, shewolf! :-)

(Said the pot to the kettle, but really.)

She's using signs to communicate -- that's all good. If you understand her, reinforce it. If you'd like, you can respond with "Oh, you want some more food? Sure!" Adding the sign for "food".

Grammatically, "more" is probably about as correct as "food" -- "I'm hungry" would be the perfect formulation for what you're talking about. She has had food in the past, and now she wants more of it. ;-)

Anyway, main thing is to keep it light and enjoyable for her. If you keep it light and enjoyable, give her positive reinforcement when she conveys some sort of meaning (even if it's not exactly right -- we all have to start somewhere!) and keep giving her exposure (in a light, enjoyable way), she'll prolly sign more and more.
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Jer
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:42 am
Wow! It's really cool that you are teaching your kids to sign.

Shewolf - I think as long as the little one is communicating what she wants to you she's doing a great job.

I'm really interested in following this one. Good luck with the pups!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:47 am
sozobe wrote:
Don't overthink, shewolf! :-)

(Said the pot to the kettle, but really.)

She's using signs to communicate -- that's all good. If you understand her, reinforce it. If you'd like, you can respond with "Oh, you want some more food? Sure!" Adding the sign for "food".

Grammatically, "more" is probably about as correct as "food" -- "I'm hungry" would be the perfect formulation for what you're talking about. She has had food in the past, and now she wants more of it. ;-)

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Ok, ok,ok ok ok ok...... Embarrassed I will stop overthinking.. I promise.
( fingers crossed behind my back )

the idea of .. having food before and wanting more of it.. makes great sence.
I will have to keep that thought process in mind when she starts using other signs as well.
As you said earlier, childrens -verbage- is a bit diffrent then ours--

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That's really common. Again one of those parallel language acquisition things. When babies learn how to speak, often one word "means" another -- like, I dunno, "blanky" means "I'm tired."



I have always thought of this verbal pattern to be ( and here comes the kicker...) a fault of baby talk to kids.
You know the kind..
the ones who say things like " widdle baby , poo-poo kins, Do wo wanna bottwe?' Instead of using proper annunciation !
never realized this was a normal speach pattern for kids. Embarrassed
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 10:51 am
Oh, motherese is a vital, vital thing in language acquisition. All that "baby talk" actually has amazing scientific basis. (Amazing because people just instinctively know how to do it.)

(First result for "Gopnik" and "Motherese" -- if I'm not telling people to get the Sears' "Baby Book", I'm telling 'em to get "The Scientist in the Crib" by Alison Gopnik et all, FANTASTIC book...)

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Adults, often unknowingly, are continually giving babies the information they need to move on in the world. Language is a perfect example of this, Gopnik said; grown-ups everywhere, including Gopnik herself, talk to their babies in a "weird, funny way called motherese." The sometimes embarrassing speech, she claimed, is in fact giving babies the information they need to solve language problems. "The high squeakiness, for example, seems to be something that actually attracts a baby's attention. And those big distinctions between loud and soft, the kind of exaggerated intonation that we use when we talk motherese, seems to help babies pick out the sounds of a language."


Interestingly enough, Japanese and English speaking mothers fashion different kinds of motherese. This is necessary, Gopnik asserted, because mothers must exaggerate the linguistic distinctions that are unique to the languages. "So motherese is a kind of an unconscious tutorial for the babies. We do this spontaneously, without thinking about it, just because we see an adorable, cute baby. And by doing it we're giving babies the information they need to understand what's going on around them."


Gopnik concluded her presentation by insisting that artificial interventions on the supposed behalf of babies-playing Mozart tapes or using flash cards for instance-are useless. "The natural mechanisms for teaching and learning that we're talking about," she said, "are overwhelmingly more powerful than anything that anybody could do as an artificial intervention."


Unfortunately, this natural caregiving is not well-respected or supported in our society,-something that Gopnik feels must be redressed. "It is actually incredibly inexpensive to stay at home and look after a baby. And when people like preschool teachers help to look after babies they get paid less money than dogcatchers. Caregivers and babies playing with mixing bowls and playing peek-a-boo is really the fundamental thing that makes us human, and it's the lowest status, lowest paid activity in our culture."


http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/desire3
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:02 am
very interesting,
i am off to explore this link you gave...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:20 am
I don't know anything about the link/ website that has the stuff about Alison Gopnik and motherese -- you would SO love "The Scientist in the Crib", though!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:32 am
I ordered the scientist in the crib
begged mommy to order the " myth of the first 3 years' simply because i am a slave to that myth. I keep thinking " oh GOD.. that is now forever engrained.. " everytime I do something wrong because of the " 3 year' idea..
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:38 am
Oh goodie! I'd love to talk to you about it when you're finished reading it. It's one of my favorite parenting books ever, though it's only indirectly about parenting. More about getting what's going on in those wondrous little brains of theirs, and how amazing it is that we are so instinctively great parents (if we just listen to our instincts.)

Not familiar with the myth of the first three years book... will go take a look.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:41 am
Hmm. Don't think I'd like that one, from the blurb.

Let me know what you think, though.

This review is about what I was thinking after reading the blurb:

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First, the strengths of the book. It provides an alternative view to the frantic parents who are trying to do everything for their kids and in fact, are overdoing it. I completely agree with his points about too many parents getting obsessive about the first few years with their children.

But here are three things that I find troubling. 1) The very research studies he tries to debunk in other's findings are the same ones he uses to support his own position. He says you can't use the basic neuroscience to justify the more practical end uses, then he uses basic neuroscience research to support his own position.2) He ignores a huge body of research from studies on attachment, emotional abuse, physical abuse, drug abuse and neglect that supports the critical value of early emotional involvement and the delicate caregiver-to-child process of attunement. This is the underpinnings of emotional intelligence--which may be more important than the standard cognition. 3) He ballyhoos the current trend in schools towards a more brain-based approach, saying that it'll be 25 years before we can apply neuroscience to classroom learning. That's dead wrong. Thousands of educators are already using strategies and programs based on recent research. He apparently doesn't know about them--maybe he does not visit cutting edge schools. As an example, the technology of FastForWord (a software that is treating phonological deficits) is just one of several hearing improvement programs. Other teachers are using research on emotions, stress, memory and the brain's structural constraints to enhance teaching--and scores are going up. Bruer is well-meaning, but not in touch with the cutting edge of learning.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 11:47 am
NYT article:

http://listweb.bilkent.edu.tr/kadin/1999/Aug/0001.html

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This being the case, it is not surprising that "The Myth of the First Three Years" is stirring controversy even before it reaches bookstores. Dr. Bruer's critics, for the most part, do not dispute the fact that neuroscience findings have sometimes been exaggerated or misused. "There's no question that those extremes do exist, and that is a danger," said Dr. David Hamburg, president emeritus of the Carnegie Foundation, who spearheaded the "Starting Points," campaign.


But Dr. Hamburg and others mentioned critically in the book said that what irked them about Dr. Bruer's assault was that he seemed to ignore a wealth of research in areas other than neuroscience -- developmental psychology, for
example -- which shows that the first years of life are indeed critically important. Such studies, they assert, clearly demonstrate that what parents do in the first three years matters, and underline the need for parents to be
attuned to developmental milestones, and the value of activities like reading and talking to young children.


"Neuroscience or not, we've learned a tremendous amount over the last 30 years through scientifically valid research mechanisms," said Matthew Melmed, executive director of the Zero to Three Foundation. "And we do have a lot to say and advice to share with parents about the early years."


Melmed, Dr. Hamburg and others mentioned in Dr. Bruer's book say that their organizations have never suggested that a window slams shut on development at the age of 3, or that the later childhood years -- or adulthood, for that matter -- are unimportant. And they worry that the appearance of a book titled "The Myth of the First Three Years," will send parents off to the other, equally misguided extreme -- setting back the field 20 years, as one expert put it -- and make advocacy more difficult in a nation that, in comparison with other Western countries, is not known for making the health and welfare of its youngest citizens a priority.

Some neuroscientists also disagree with Dr. Bruer's assertion that neuroscience has nothing to say about early childhood. Dr. Patricia Kuhl, whose book, "The Scientist in the Crib" (William Morrow), written with two other research
scientists, will be published next month, said she thought Dr. Bruer made some valid points. But the findings of research, "have shown us that babies are not just cute faces but the greatest learning machines in the universe," said Dr. Kuhl, a professor of speech and hearing sciences at the University of
Washington.

"Babies revise their views about people and things in the world based on new information, just as scientists do," Dr. Kuhl said. "A difference is that babies do it more quickly and more profoundly than adults, because their brains are less committed -- literally less cluttered -- than ours are."

And while such findings "don't provide a prescription for revamping our educational system," she said, "they do alter our views of the mental life of the child."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2005 06:12 pm
(Sorry I went off on that! Didn't mean to hijack, just was looking for more and thought I'd share. Will be interested in what you think about it.)
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Heatwave
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:23 am
At the risk of sounding ignorant - I had never heard of teaching such young babies sign language before I came across this thread. I think it's way cool to be able to communicate with your child before they are able to speak words & string sentences. More importantly, I keep thinking how frustrating it must be for children to not be able to communicate what they need, how they feel etc. simply because their little mouths can't shape out the words. WOW!

Our first baby will arrive this July. Can someone please direct me to some books/website/resources so that I can read more on this?

Thanks in advance.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:28 am
http://www.sign2me.com/

this is the book I use. In the back of it , it shows you how to correctly use sign language and it also shows you how to detect a ' modified' sign from your child.
It also goes into the how/why it is helpful.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:29 am
http://www.sign2me.com/swyb.php
actually it is on THIS page,
it is the sign with your baby book
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Heatwave
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:44 am
Thanks so much, Shewolf! This is so exciting!!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:44 am
That's a good one!

Here's a website for ASL vocabulary in general, not specific to teaching babies:

http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb/browser.htm
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2005 10:41 am
I am trying to introduce a new word to bean - tired-
and she doesnt have the ability to do that just yet?
How would you modify -tired- for a baby?
I was thinking just keeping my hands on my shoulders, but that may not be a good variation of it...?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2005 10:43 am
Sozlet still has a hard time with that one -- she often signs something more like "hungry" with "tired" shoulder movements (kind of slumping.) The slumping part is what seems to be the easiest/ clearest.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:13 am
maybe,
Crossing your arms and touching your shoulders, followed by a slump?
( im worried about modifying because I dont want confusion when learning NEW words later.) I dont THINK that is too close to anyother sign is it?
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