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Why stupid people want socialism

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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That's always the objection but there is never a sound, clear, cause/effect analysis offered.... because there isn't any. Cost per capita is the correct measure and it tells the story.

It doesn't tell the story with larger populations, and you are just assuming that what works for a population of 5 million people will work for 350 million... The logic isn't sound and you know it.


The population of Europe is 740 million.
The population of Japan is 127 million.

Somehow, 740 million people in Europe are able to have Universal Healthcare. It's a patchwork of individual countries doing it, but all of them (essentially) have UHC.

Tell me why the USA and it's fewer than half as many citizens, can't manage?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:40 pm
@maporsche,
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The population of Europe is 740 million.
The population of Japan is 127 million.

Somehow, 740 million people in Europe are able to have Universal Healthcare. It's a patchwork of individual countries doing it, but all of them (essentially) have UHC.

Tell me why the USA and it's fewer than half as many citizens, can't manage?

Are you trying to pass of that the EU as a whole has Single Payer? You are not being honest in your assessment. Each of the counties might have some form of Universal Healthcare, but it isn't paid for by the whole of the EU, it is on a country by country basis. Don't tell lies to prove a point.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:42 pm
@Baldimo,
Maybe you think it'd be more feasible if the a law was passed stating that every state had to have some form of universal single-payer healthcare that way all these states of 5 million people or 40 million people could implement something that worked for the smaller populations.

That sounds like something you'd agree is at least possible (or at least more possible).
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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The population of Europe is 740 million.
The population of Japan is 127 million.

Somehow, 740 million people in Europe are able to have Universal Healthcare. It's a patchwork of individual countries doing it, but all of them (essentially) have UHC.

Tell me why the USA and it's fewer than half as many citizens, can't manage?

Are you trying to pass of that the EU as a whole has Single Payer? You are not being honest in your assessment. Each of the counties might have some form of Universal Healthcare, but it isn't paid for by the whole of the EU, it is on a country by country basis. Don't tell lies to prove a point.



What lie?

I'm trying to figure out how your brain is working on this issue. The individual 28 countries in the EU could be likened to the 50 states in the USA.

If 28 individual countries could figure out how to give 740 million people universal healthcare....why couldn't 50 individual states do it?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:44 pm
@maporsche,
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Maybe you think it'd be more feasible if the a law was passed stating that every state had to have some form of universal single-payer healthcare that way all these states of 5 million people or 40 million people could implement something that worked for the smaller populations.

That sounds like something you'd agree is at least possible (or at least more possible).

Why do you think I wold agree with any sort of law or regulation passed down from the Federal govt that allows them to tell the states how to run their own health care systems? I'm against more federal govt control of all aspects of our way of life.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:46 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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Maybe you think it'd be more feasible if the a law was passed stating that every state had to have some form of universal single-payer healthcare that way all these states of 5 million people or 40 million people could implement something that worked for the smaller populations.

That sounds like something you'd agree is at least possible (or at least more possible).

Why do you think I wold agree with any sort of law or regulation passed down from the Federal govt that allows them to tell the states how to run their own health care systems? I'm against more federal govt control of all aspects of our way of life.



Please read more carefully.

It's not about you agreeing if the law is a good one or not.

Could 50 individual states implement 50 different universal health care programs that would benefit their individual states and have that be more effective than 1 policy for the entire United States?

That's not a question about your agreement with the law. Just the possible route of implementation of a law.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:49 pm
@maporsche,
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What lie?

I'm trying to figure out how your brain is working on this issue. The individual 28 countries in the EU could be likened to the 50 states in the USA.

If 28 individual countries could figure out how to give 740 million people universal healthcare....why couldn't 50 individual states do it?

You don't want 50 states to figure it out, you want the feds to force a solution on the US population.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 01:50 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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What lie?

I'm trying to figure out how your brain is working on this issue. The individual 28 countries in the EU could be likened to the 50 states in the USA.

If 28 individual countries could figure out how to give 740 million people universal healthcare....why couldn't 50 individual states do it?

You don't want 50 states to figure it out, you want the feds to force a solution on the US population.


You're ducking the question.

I want Universal Healthcare for all of the citizens in the USA, you're correct. The best route of implementation I'm unclear on.

The law could simply be something along the lines of 'Each state shall implement a universal single-payer healthcare solution by 20XX.' Since this is all hypothetical.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 02:05 pm
@maporsche,
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You're ducking the question.

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If 28 individual countries could figure out how to give 740 million people universal healthcare....why couldn't 50 individual states do it?

You didn't ask an honest question as I stated in my answer. You asked why 50 states couldn't do it and I responded that you aren't concerned with 50 states, you are concerned with 1 Federal Govt getting it done. If it was left to the states, not all states would do it, and a mandate from the Federal govt for the states to have a single payer type plan isn't a choice at all. I support the idea of the states working it out on their own but only if the Federal govt respects the vote of the people. I don't think the left would ever respect the rights of the voting public if it didn't go their way. The left-wing in our country has a habit of overturning the will of the people when they vote for things.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 02:18 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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You're ducking the question.

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If 28 individual countries could figure out how to give 740 million people universal healthcare....why couldn't 50 individual states do it?

You didn't ask an honest question as I stated in my answer. You asked why 50 states couldn't do it and I responded that you aren't concerned with 50 states, you are concerned with 1 Federal Govt getting it done. If it was left to the states, not all states would do it, and a mandate from the Federal govt for the states to have a single payer type plan isn't a choice at all. I support the idea of the states working it out on their own but only if the Federal govt respects the vote of the people. I don't think the left would ever respect the rights of the voting public if it didn't go their way. The left-wing in our country has a habit of overturning the will of the people when they vote for things.


I asked you a question, and instead of answering my question, you changed the subject, thereby ducking the question. It's a classic strawman technique.

You admit that each of the 50 states, could effectively implement a single payer universal healthcare system IF they were so inclined?

So, effectively, through the patchwork of whatever the states came up with, 330 million American's could be covered.

So you're saying there's a chance....
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Senter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 08:40 pm
@maporsche,
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Tell me why the USA and it's fewer than half as many citizens, can't manage?

The argument that it can't work with large populations is a BS opportunistic argument. It cannot be proved either true nor false. So it is designed to stop the conversation, which is a win for the status quo.
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Senter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2017 08:53 pm
@maporsche,
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Could 50 individual states implement 50 different universal health care programs that would benefit their individual states and have that be more effective than 1 policy for the entire United States?

No. they can't. Not fairly and effectively. We have rich states and poor states; rich communities and poor communities, red states and blue states. We already see significant differences in how different states function with Obamacare and Medicaid.

Leaving it to the individual states guarantees significant variations in delivery. Rich states and areas will have better care than poorer ones. It has to be a national system.
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andy31
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2017 05:37 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo, listen my friend, any discussions and persuasions with brainwashed dumb liberals or socialists like Senter or the other 'genius' , you can only compare to attempts of convincing lion to become an antelope. IT WON'T HAPPEN ! This is precisely, exactly like one of the top deffected KGB agent said, name Yury Bezmienof: you can rub the communism in their noses and they still will believe it is great. Once they are programmed that way, they are becoming like zombies. Russian KGB give them name 'useful idiots' which they are.

And Baldimo, when Regan claimed winning cold war, Russians said: not so fast, and if that criminal Hilary would won, this country would be lost and Russians would be right. Most of our universities are infested and hijacked by anti American element aiming to divide and demoralize this nation further. YES SENTER, YOUR DUMB ASS PHD PROFESSOR IS ONE OF THEM. But of course what can you expect from subversion. American universities are hiring criminals and terrorists and producing terroristic groups like ANTIFA and so on.
If you just think about it , it makes you hair stick up.

Sorry but I simply have no patience or any respect for stupid people who praise socialism or commuzm. I was born and raised in that system and there is NOTHING good about it. I came here as a political refuge and I've never look back.... just so I have to listen to demagogue from idiots like Bernie Sanders or he's blind followers fools?
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