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Starting to remember why Bill bugs me

 
 
MaryM
 
Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 10:07 am
http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110005979


But, of course, she said she didn't do it.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 01:56 pm
Another in the "What the heck was he thinking category:

Former American fugitive Marc Rich was a middleman for several of Iraq's suspect oil deals in February 2001, just one month after his pardon from President Clinton, according to oil industry shipping records obtained by ABC News

Rich was also accused of trading oil with Iran during the U.S. hostage crisis in 1980. Before that, he allegedly earned millions by creating an oil-trading daisy chain that evaded U.S. oil price controls. Oil that was supposed to be regulated emerged, through Rich's financial sleight of hand, unregulated.

The U.S. Department of Justice International Interagency Outlook offered this "case detail" about Rich: "Tehran, Iran, November 4, 1979. Iranian militants invade the U. S. Embassy. For the next fourteen months, they hold fifty-three Americans hostage. Thousands of Iranians march through the streets, chanting, 'Death to America!' But one American quickly becomes popular with the new government in Tehran."

That American, now restored to full citizenship, was Marc David Rich. The U.S. had offered to pay a reward for information that led to his arrest and, if necessary, to relocate individuals who fingered him. But Rich remained a fugitive even after reaching an out-of-court settlement in the U.S. for about $150 million in taxes.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/01/22/0122topnews_print.html
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 02:18 pm
It doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 02:35 pm
And cheney traded with iraq, and so on.........
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 03:29 pm
Let's see ... you brought up Halliburton because ... we were talking about ... Clinton .... right? Confused
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 07:37 pm
Nope, just that sins one of president seem to be equal in comparison, at least in this regard. But continue on...I was merely pointing out the similarities.

It seems to be the american way........
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 08:53 pm
The actions of a Vice President done before he was Vice President are "equal in comparison" to the actions of a sitting President?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 09:05 pm
JustWonders wrote:

...Marc Rich...


Four or five years ago, people were starving to death in Russia. I read one story about a mother using her single food coupon for the day for her child to have something to eat.

Also, as I've read it, Russia was being systematically looted. The typical story involved an "oligarch", basically a former commie boss of some sort in charge of some sort of commiodity production, say, aluminum, who would go to Mark Rich and arrange a deal in which the entire production of whatever it was under that guy's control got sold off on the world markets for 30 or 40 cents on the dollar, and the money stashed in Swiss accounts for the oligarch and Mark Rich.

And then, after a lifetime of that sort of thing including trading with Iran while we were at war with them, the guy sends his ex-wife over here who does the dirty deed with Slick Clinton and that, along with a few million (presumably) kicked into one of the various Clinton slush funds, and POOF!, just like in a fairytale, the guy is pardoned of all wrongdoing for **** which you or I would be in slam for the rest of our lives for.

Neat, huh?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 09:07 pm
I am curious, just what is a "dirty deed?"
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 10:56 pm
The sitting president has forgiven or forgotten cheney's crimes. Seems pretty equal to me. But then again, some memories are long and some present crimes are swept under the rug.
It's time for a whole bunch of people to get over the past and start looking at the present admin with the same jaundiced eye.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 11:00 pm
Please expand on "Cheney's crimes". Any specifics? Was he indicted and sent to prison and I somehow missed it?

I know he's been accused. Any proof, other than mere speculation?
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 11:04 pm
This bores me. Really! My point is enough with clinton bashing, he's gone and yet, for lack of anything better to do, or....any real introspection on the present government and their actions you people continue to dredge up the past. Yawn.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 11:05 pm
LOL. About what I thought. Smile
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2004 11:26 pm
or not
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 12:05 am
It's all blue potatoes to me.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 05:14 am
I don't even want to become involved in this discussion. Just the mention of the name, "Jane Fonda", will cause the hair on the back of my neck to stand up straight, and have me running for my blood pressure pills. Evil or Very Mad
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2004 07:47 am
Ceili wrote:
This bores me. Really! My point is enough with clinton bashing, he's gone and yet, for lack of anything better to do, or....any real introspection on the present government and their actions you people continue to dredge up the past. Yawn.


Me, I'm gonna remember Slick for a long time. The best way to prevent another eight years worth of gangsterism, perversion, and malfeasance in national affairs is to keep reminding people of the last such episode. Other than that, anybody who thinks there's any basis of comparison between the Clinton administration and this present one is deluded.
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MaryM
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2004 10:58 am
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This bores me. Really!


Celei, your disdain is noted, but I think you should admit that your boredom is a function of the continuing effect Bill's endless gaffs, not our redredging of old news. Also, he would be very sad to hear you call him "gone". He never did get to finish the legacy thing, and is still active in many ways, although not nearly as much as a danger any more.

There is btw, plenty of discussion of the current administration here.
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