Evolution - Who wants to KNOW?

All I know is that the plaintiffs have stayed the summary judgement. however, the whole program on ID was to begin this week. If its true, it hasnt been covered, but< i imagine that , should the vice principal (usually the one who gets all the crappy jobs) be the one announcing the "theory" thing , then well probably have news mobiles up in dover Township. its in Youk County so maybe the York newspapre(I think its the DIspatch) will have something on their web site.
Also, rosborne, remember , i think it was Mark Bowden who said that Pennsylvania is "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh separated by Alabama'

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farmerman wrote:

Also, rosborne, remember , i think it was Mark Bowden who said that Pennsylvania is "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh separated by Alabama'

So, all the northerners move to Florida and all the southerners move to Pennsylvania? Smile

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I read on the internet that the Dover School Board had another meeting last night. In December, the board issued a new rule that the public needs to make a written request to discuss any topic not specifically on their agenda. A school board member who wanted the board to revisit their biology curriculum issue was not allowed to speak. As a result there was no discussion of the special statement on evolution that will be read by high school administrators on Thursday.

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Pennsylvania...Liberty starts here.

Im so proud.

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Bibliophile,

Your topic is a very real issue for students and their parents in Dover, Pennsylvania. What is your opinion?

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Wandel: I am not familiar with the dispute/debate in Dover, Pennsylvania - perhaps you would be so kind as to give me a summation of what's happening? Thanks.

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Bibliophile,

Dover, as everyone knows, is right next to Weigelstown. Smile

In October, the Dover school board voted 6-3 to require its science teachers to tell students that evolution is an incomplete scientific theory and that intelligent design is a viable alternative.

A group of parents sued the Dover school board in federal court over including intelligent design because they believe it would allow Judeo-Christian biblical beliefs to be introduced in public schools. (In the United States that would be illegal.)

The suit is still pending. Since the chapter on evolution is scheduled to be taught soon, the school board is requiring the school to make a special statement.

This story is changing even as I am writing this. The statement was scheduled to be read to students tomorrow. Today, it was announced that the reading of the statement will be postponed until next week.

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Weigelsttown, even I, a local, did not know where was weigelstown. Apparently it has been demolished for a Wal Mart.
The thick plotteens. in todays Cecil County md, they have announced the teaching of Intelligentt design from a basis that
"Its only fair to teach both theories" AAAGGHH
intelligent Design isnt even a novel idea,let alone be elevated to status of theory.

lets all just work our way back to the Dark Ages and begin our daily grovelling for filth.

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farmerman wrote:

lets all just work our way back to the Dark Ages and begin our daily grovelling for filth.

"Bring out'chur Dead... bring out'chur dead"

Ahhh, the good old days Wink

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DOVER, PENNSYLVANIA UPDATE

The Dover school controversy has now attracted international media attention. The British press states that Dover High School is "in the eye of the creationism storm".

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wandeljw wrote:

In October, the Dover school board voted 6-3 to require its science teachers to tell students that evolution is an incomplete scientific theory and that intelligent design is a viable alternative.

Thanks Wandel.

Incomplete Theory? In my book it doesn't even qualify as a Theory.

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I refer you to this previous post:

"In standard scientific terminology, a "hypothesis" is a statement that can be tested scientifically by some kind of experiment that could refute it if it is wrong.
A "theory" is a hypothesis that has been repeatedly tested in various ways, but has not been refuted as yet.
Finally, a scientific "law" is a theory that has been tested, with positive results, so often and in so many different ways that it is almost certainly a confirmed fact of science."

Based on this information, would you say that Evolution was a Hypothesis, Theory or Law?

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In my opinion, evolution (by natural selection) is a scientific theory that is in agreement with available data and provides a good explanation of available data.

Many scientific theories that explain their subject well are not completely testable. For example, Newton's theory of universal gravitation is not completely testable. (How can we obtain physical evidence that gravitation affects the orbits of planets?)

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wandeljw wrote:

In my opinion, evolution (by natural selection) is a scientific theory that is in agreement with available data and provides a good explanation of available data.

As I understand it, Natural Selection (or Darwinism), is not THE mechanism that allegedly causes "Evolution" - no such mechanism has been proven. However, Natural Selection is an "observation" of weak species being eradicated or consumed, NOT new species being produced, which is what "Evolution" is supposed to be doing!

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Bibliophile,

I am holding on to my opinion just as you are holding on to your opinion. I do not expect you to think the same way I do.

Don't you think the biology curriculum debate in Dover, Pennsylvania is fascinating? I understand the guidelines you have set for this topic. I actually think that the Dover situation epitomizes your topic.

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wandeljw wrote:

Bibliophile,

I am holding on to my opinion just as you are holding on to your opinion. I do not expect you to think the same way I do.

1. What I have stated about Natural Selection is a fact, not an opinion.

wandeljw wrote:

Don't you think the biology curriculum debate in Dover, Pennsylvania is fascinating? I understand the guidelines you have set for this topic. I actually think that the Dover situation epitomizes your topic.

2. I agree, although it is by sheer coincidence.

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DOVER, PENNSYLVANIA UPDATE

A federal court decision today concerning a school board in Georgia may have bearing on the proposed reading of an evolution disclaimer in the Dover High School.

The Georgia school board issued an evolution disclaimer by placing a sticker in biology textbooks:
"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

The federal court ruled today that the stickers were unconstitutional:
"By denigrating evolution, the school board appears to be endorsing the well-known prevailing alternative theory, creationism or variations thereof."

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So, itt may be that the issue of establishment may be dragged back into th discussion after all. CF Edwards v Aguillard.

Bib, youre letting your creationist ptticoaats show. A ttheory in science is an eexplanation for a phenomenon or phenomena that all available data supports , AND NO DATA OR EVIDENCE REFUTES>

Creationism and Inteel Design by being mythology based , with NO supportive evidence qualifies as a WAG, or a lgend, not a theory, so stop trying to grace yourself with such foolish nonsense.
You are unable to argue any point of evidence so you merely keep repeating your "Bumper sticker statments"

Ive posted a number of points of evideence pages back, which youve ignored because they challenge your "beelief" system. Its ok whaatever you wish to lean upon. Please just refraain from making authoritative -like stttments, cuz you are just flat incorrect and poorly instructed evaluating data and evidence.

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wandeljw wrote:

The federal court ruled today that the stickers were unconstitutional:
"By denigrating evolution, the school board appears to be endorsing the well-known prevailing alternative theory, creationism or variations thereof."

Denigrating! It has done that all by itself.

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Here's how evolutionists think:

How did life come into existence? It evolved.
What was the mechanism for this? Evolution.
What is evolution? A natural process.
Can we see this natural process? No. It moves too slowly.
Can we see it in the fossil record. No. It moved too quickly.
Well then how do you know it exists? Because we say it does!

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