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Is debate possible between ignoramuses?How is it possible

 
 
Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 11:45 am
LOL, Spendi,

Can I believe it happened, that people talk as if they actually believe that sh!t?

Yes

Do I believe it works?

No

But did you know that if your birth stone is not an Opal, and you wear the Opal stone on your body or display it anywhere in your house or clothing, it will bring harm to someone, possibly the person taking advantage of said stone?

Not only is it my birth stone, but it's also my mother's first name. So I guess that makes me safe. How about you?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 08:32 am
Lola:-

I don't know for sure about me.I'm a WEM don't forget.I'm only a Faustian when I wannabee.I certainly don't think that Faustians or WEMs can have meaningful debates with ancient Greeks or with well balanced members of the petit bourgeoise.

Your last post has nonplussed me a little assuming one may have gradations of nonplussedness.I do not know what a birth stone is which leaves me in the dark as to the effect of not having an Opal one.
In general I feel fairly safe except when politicians start on about promoting peace and freedom.

I was being satirical in my half-assed way but I also tried to give you a flavour of the benefits of an innocent,if superstitious not to say stupid,belief.I can personally vouch for the euphoria attendant on emerging from the confessional in what I thought,at 10,to be a state of grace.I can understand why people try to cling to that even if I was unable to.Were you baptised?

In respect of this might I ask you to forbear with me if I quote the words of Oswald Spengler.He is discussing "contrition".

"Faustian responsibility instead of Magian (Islamic)resignedness,the individual instead of the consensus;relief from,instead of submissiveness under,burdens--that is the difference between the most active and the most passive of all sacraments
( he means baptism there),and at the back of it again lies the difference between the world-cavern and infinity dynamics."

If you find a copy of The Decline of the West there are numerous references to "contrition" which,if you study them,may give you pause for thought.One can easily see that psychoanalysis is the obvious mutation of confession adapting itself
under the force of a need to the 'God is dead'idea.
Where the confessee has faith in the confessor,as happens with believers,a similar outcome is to be expected.In Local Hero Lancaster hasn't that faith and thus nothing happens and Lancaster reverts to Magianism under the world-cavern (the mosque) of the sky at night.The funniest joke is the Afro priest.It is an excellent movie.It makes Farenheit 9/11 look like mud on a wall.

Of course psychoanalysis is only for the wealthy so the poor are left with no hope outside of materialistic escape distractions which,I believe,are driving them mad.When consumerism fatigues itself there is nowhere to go which is why they drive themselves ever onwards.

To circumvent the whole thing is the gift a "good" education delivers."Good" being defined as that which circumvents and you know it when you have it.The consolations of philosophy.

I studied that riddle of yours and I will have the soya ham sandwich.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2005 03:23 pm
Spendius,

It's best not to rely on the movies for you information about psychoanalysis. You're over simplifying, which is slightly annoying, but understandable. Enjoy the soya ham, I'm sure it will do you good.

Gotta go back to work.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 09:41 am
Lola:-

I like oversimplifying.Sorry.

"....and strengthen the things that remain."
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:16 am
Never apologize, dollingggg. You are a master of understatement, Mr. Jelly brain.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:21 am
Oh Lola:-

I love compliments from high class female practitioners of Faustianism.It makes me feel er er.
well ....er..er sort of chuffychuffchuffed.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2005 10:23 am
very funny.......now I have to go back to work.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 06:21 am
Lola:-

Do you think there is such a thing as "objective sexy"?Something nothing to do with a cunning cutting of the cloth to suit the face.A conglomeration of physical and mental arttributes which women just can't help going wobbly at the knees in the presence of and despite an array of cultural disincentives become confused and lost when it pays them some attention.

Another question-do you think superficiality has a function for the ego?Such that constraints on the ego are not seen as serious and can thus be glossed over allowing the ego to run the full gamut of it's possibilities.I had been wondering why there is so much superficiality in modern life.Does seriousness frighten people?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 08:31 am
hello.......anybody home? tough questions. I'll be back in a bit with some, but not all, well, a little maybe, or a smidgen of deep insight.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 08:19 am
Lola:-

As I have now achieved my objective of rendering my two threads exclusive to you and I I will put on them "pick-ups" from the unformed sludge I have had a nose into from following your trail.Anybody who butts in will either have to pass our stringent tests or risk an eyeful.Agreed??Superficiality is deadly.It is a force for alienation.I already commented on the "quote" function but I will add a little more.A lot of it looks like having an urge to post with nothing to say.You see big long quotes and at the end there's just one of those daft faces which have no subtlety and which suggest human emotion can be broken down into a few categories.
Look at the difference between one of those and my
"chuffy chuff chuffed".There's no comparison.The latter is language friendly.No serious user of English would deign to stoop to one of those faces which all look stupid anyway.The language is quite satisfactory to convey any feeling from the infinite range of human emotion for anybody who is prepared to take the trouble and if they are not prepared to take that trouble what does it say?.
Then you get the "quote" cascade.Suppose you took that cascade to its limit which is how Faustians
think of things.You could have a page full of-
Quote.
Lola said----
Tico said----
Blatham said----etc etc
and end up with a yellow grinning face.

Another thing about it is that it implies that the reader can't be bothered checking back to see what Lola actually said.That they have lost the thread and are entitled to be brought up to date.Just imagine doing that in the pub.These threads do have striking similarities with the social dynamics in a pub.You get cliques.You get butters-in and drop-outs.You get some bozo cornering the best looker and fighting everybody else off with acid repartee which is even more fun when the bozo was himself a butter-in setting out to prove that the best looker deserved better.
And those 1000 word articles out of some paper or magazine with a three word,generally useless, quip from the poster-does anybody read that stuff.I don't.Beautiful,intelligent posters are the name of the game."Gimme some milk-or else go home."If I wanted to read that stuff,which is mightily suspect ,
I would get the mag.

There are a number of questions up in the air most of which are worth a close study.If that's your cup of tea.I'll come back to them at some point.This is just to see if you're up and about.

By the way-who owns the copyright to these words?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:00 am
I'm up and about. but now I have to eat breakfast

back in thirty minutes
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:11 am
Lola:-

I'll pass the time reading some more of your 2002 posts.Gee-that's a psychoanalytical tool if ever I thought of one.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:28 am
I will speak on behalf of the quotation function. It saves time, oh biased Spendius. Also on threads devoted to the accummulation of data, long quotations are useful as information for research, which I'm doing a little of lately. You and Bernie are prejudiced against smileys and I don't think that's fair to those sweet little faces. Next thing you know, you'll be forcing them to sit in the back of the bus. I'll have to call the ACLU on you two brutes.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:43 am
Lola:-

What do you want to save time for?I understood we were on here to waste it agreeably.

Is Bernie a brute?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 09:56 am
he's brute-like, just like you. Cruelty to innocent smilies. For shame!

I do love time spent on A2K, but I don't consider it to be time wasted. Unless some people refuse to use a perfectly easy-to-use quotation function. I do have other things to do in my life, even though, I realize one might be fooled by all the time I spend on A2K. :wink: Rolling Eyes Laughing

There, take that,in the name of the maligned smilies-who-do-more-than-smile! Laughing
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:14 am
Lola:-

Well-I gave you an opporunity to make excellent propaganda on behalf of those unmentionable little impish devils didn't I?
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:16 am
you did.........but I'll quit now. They don't warrant much defense. Their cute little happy faces just says it all anyway. Don't you think?
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:33 am
Lola:-

There you have it.They don't say it all.They are Greek.Faustians believe in infinite gradations in everything.Not crude shortcuts which might not be meant.Marylyn Monroe could do a million.I've seen her do six emotions in three seconds flat.And none of the s#######s could get close to any of them.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Feb, 2005 10:38 am
just because they are disembodied doesn't mean they can't be subtle in their expressions. They just move too fast for you, speedius.

Anyway........that's enough about those little yellow floating heads for today. What else shall we talk about?

What does "having it on" mean, anyway. I'm from Texas you know.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 19 Feb, 2005 06:14 am
Lola:-

What a question!"What else shall we talk about?"

Just read my last few posts.If that doesn't provide you with something to talk about it's hard to know what will.Changing the subject is a form of bolting you know.If it doesn't look like it to most people that has nothing to do with anything except the most people.I'm not going to not notice.

Just how do those impish mugs move too fast for someone who said what I said about Ms Monroe?

I had gathered you are a Texan.A long way from home.

Don't know about "having it on".Where did I use that expression.If I did it will mean something.Or,at least,I hope it will.

See you under the clock-tower on Monday afternoon.I'll be wearing one of those grins Greil Marcus mentions a few times in Invisible Republic.
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