The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

There is nothing in the marriage laws that says a) you have to have a religious ceremony or b) that you have to love each other, or c) that you can't be homosexual. Most state laws do say that a) you must be of legal age or have a note from your parents; b) you must not be married to anybody else; c) you must not have any communicable STD; and d) you must marry somebody of the opposite sex.

These laws apply 100% equitably to all Americans regardless of race, ethnicity, sex, height, weight, religious beliefs, musical ability, or sexual orientation.

Your analogy doesn't work Dlowan because the US marriage laws discriminate against NOBODY.

These laws apply 100% equitably to all Americans regardless of race, ethnicity, sex, height, weight, religious beliefs, musical ability, or sexual orientation.

I honestly don't see how you can't see that what I said is perfectly true.

Foxfyre wrote:

There is nothing in the marriage laws that says a) you have to have a religious ceremony or b) that you have to love each other, or c) that you can't be homosexual. Most state laws do say that a) you must be of legal age or have a note from your parents; b) you must not be married to anybody else; c) you must not have any communicable STD; and d) you must marry somebody of the opposite sex.

These laws apply 100% equitably to all Americans regardless of race, ethnicity, sex, height, weight, religious beliefs, musical ability, or sexual orientation.

They do not apply equitably in regard to sex. As you pointed out, "you must marry somebody of the opposite sex". Is there a good reason for this law, or is it simply unjustified discrimination?

Everybody who marries has to marry somebody of the opposite sex whether they are gay, straight, or something in between. So what discrimination is there in that?

Because we can articulate reasoned arguments, Fox. You really should have realized that fact by now. I understand you won't write anything back about it; I wouldn't. But you may want to re-read some of your old posts and just ask yourself how much sense they really make in the face of logical examination.

But, here's a good and topical question:

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Everybody who marries has to marry somebody of the opposite sex whether they are gay, straight, or something in between. So what discrimination is there in that?

What discrimination is there in forcing people to use seperate water fountains, based upon race? There is no difference between race and sexual orientation in terms of robbing someone of their right to happiness or equality. How can you say one is wrong, but not the other?

Another question I challenge you to answer, man, I dare you: in what way are traditional or pre-existing marriages damaged by allowing gays to marry? In what way will society be damaged? If you cannot identify damage, there cannot be laws against it, and you know it.

Cycloptichorn

Ok Fox.

Let's see.


Somewhere back in the Pleistocene a butterfly farted differently, and that has made all the difference, in a cascade of subtly different events.



We are all here, just as we are now.


The laws in your country are identical...except......people are free to marry, regardles sof all those things...except they may only marry people of the same sex...


Is THAT discriminatory?


Yes or no.

That's it! I am hunting you down and you will become my cats' next meal! I answered your question honestly because you said you sincerely wanted to know what I believed.

Do you feel good about what you just did? Do you feel good that you got me to trust you enough to give you the honest to goodness truth about how I felt just so you could turn around and use it to prove the Bible says something you feel is discriminatory?!

I was honestly starting to like you and enjoy our little discussion. Thanx. Thanx a whole bunch. What a nice guy you are.

Now you tell me how anybody is robbed of their right to happiness and equality by following the exact same rules in exactly the same way that 100% of Americans must follow?

Your analogy doesn't work Dlowan because the US marriage laws discriminate against NOBODY.

If the law applies equally to everybody, there is no discrimination no matter what the law is. In order for there to be discrimination, somebody has to be treated differently than the other person is treated. If Citizen A is required to used drinking fountain A and Citizen B is required to use drinking fountain B because of their race, sex, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or whatever, then that would be discriminatory. But if both can use either, there is no discrimination.

Just for my edification, Dlowan, lets see you articulate an argument showing that mine is in error.