The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

MOAN wrote:

No, but I am being told that the way I would vote is wrong. And, since I am protected under the Constitution of the United States to vote the way I want NO MATTER WHAT (caps for emphasis only), no one has the right to tell me differently.

I will not vote for something that I believe is wrong. Flat out period. That's just the way it is. Now, I have said if I was given the opportunity to vote I would abstain. That doesn't seem to be enough for some of you.

That's horseshit. This is a strawman you are erecting--you created this entire false issue of your vote being interferred with. No one here has suggested that you cannot vote as you choose. Once again, you are being told that you discriminate against homosexuals based upon your religious bigotry. No one has ever told you that you cannot votes as you choose.

That is a strawman, and you remain unable to demonstrate that assuring equal civil rights to homosexuals diminishes your rights.

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JTT wrote:

msolga wrote:
dlowan wrote:

This vote thing is a furphy, by the way.

Yes, I think so, too, Deb.

Could either of you two ladies translate 'furphy' ferme, please?

Lol...I had no idea that was a specifically Oz word!

I thought it simply meant a load of crap, a lie, or a smokescreen specifically used to divert one from the truth, or a commonly stated erroneous belief...however:

Noun: furphy
Usage: Austral

Gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth
- rumor [US], rumour [Brit, Cdn], hearsay

furphy

fur·phy [ fúrfee ] (plural fur·phies)

noun

Definitions:

Australia rumor: a rumor or piece of gossip, especially one that is not true ( slang )

[Early 20th century. After the Furphy family, manufacturers of water carts (where troops swapped gossip) in Australia during World War I]

Ah...and Wikipedia supports my meaning:

Furphy
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A furphy is Australian slang for a rumour, or an erroneous or improbable story. The word is possibly derived from two sources equally: the popular 19th century Australian author, Joseph Furphy (1843-1913) and water carts made by a company owned by his brother John: J. Furphy & Sons of Shepparton, Victoria.

Many Furphy carts were used to transport water to Australian Army personnel during World War I. The carts, with "J. Furphy & Sons" written large on their tanks, became popular as gathering places where soldiers could exchange gossip, rumours and fanciful tales.

Originally it was synonymous with "rumour" and "scuttlebutt", but the modern meaning (especially in Australian politics) is "an irrelevant or minor issue raised to specifically divert attention away from the real issue".

Note, that "scuttlebutt" itself has a similar etymology, a scuttlebutt originally being a cask of drinking water on a ship.

Aussie words
FURPHY

In the latest edition of The Australian Oxford Paperback Dictionary(1996) I entered furphy as a noun and an adjective and defined it as follows:

furphy n.(pl.furphies) 1 a false report or rumour. 2 an absurd story. •adj.(furphier, furphiest) absurdly false, unbelievable: that’s the furphiest bit of news I ever heard.
This Ozword comes from the name of [John] Furphy, a blacksmith and general engineer, who went to Shepparton from Kyneton in 1871 and set up a foundry. John Furphy designed a galvanised iron water-cart on wheels and his firm, J. Furphy & Sons, manufactured them. Each cart had the name FURPHY written large on the body. So successful were these carts that during World War 1 the Department of the Army bought many Furphy carts to supply water to camps in Australia and especially to camps in Palestine, and Egypt.
Fine — but how did John Furphy’s name come to be associated with rumours and lies? As far as I know, John Furphy was a most respectable and upright man, a Methodist lay preacher, and not in the least bit given to rumour mongering or telling tall tales. As a matter of fact, he often used the cast-iron ends of his carts to carry a variety of engraved moral advertisements, the following being typical:

WATER IS A GIFT OF GOD
BEER AND WHISKY OF THE DEVIL
COME AND HAVE A DRINK OF WATER

The standard account has it that the term furphy arose among Australian soldiers overseas during World War 1. It seems that when soldiers gathered around these water-carts, they became sites for gossip and rumour. Another story has it that the drivers of these water-carts carried gossip and rumour from camp to camp, no doubt making a good story better as they proceeded. Whatever the reason for the nexus, the nexus was soon established between the name on the cart and the rumour-mongering associated with the cart’s arrival: the furphy was born as soldier slang. Shortly thereafter furphy (also spelled furfy and furphey) left the confines of the camps and established itself firmly as part of the general Australian language, a position it holds securely to this day.

The following quotations trace the word’s spread: 1915 R. Graves On Gallipoli:‘To cheer us then a "furphy" passed around... "They’re fighting now on Achi Baba’s mound"’; 1918 Kia-ora coo-ee: the official magazine of the Australian and New Zealand forcesCairo: ‘Every time he told a tale, the boys said, "It’s a furfy"’; 1918 Aussie: the Australian soldiers’ magazine:‘A Tassie indignantly urges us to deny the furphy that Tasmania is seeking a separate peace’; 1931 Bulletin12 August: ‘Adelaide’s morning paper has revived the furphy of frogs being found alive after having been hermetically sealed up in rocks for thousands of years’; 1964 G. Johnston My Brother Jack:‘You go barmy trying to sort out the furphies that go around’; 1986 Sydney Morning Herald8 March: ‘The Premier described the rumours of changes to the legislation as a great furphy that had got out of control’.

Although this is the standard account of the origin of the term, two early writers claim that the term arose (among Australian soldiers) not on overseas’ battlefields, but at the Broadmeadows Army Camp near Melbourne in 1914. In this account the Furphy tanks were being used as sanitary carts rather than as water carts. In the first volume of his Official History of Australia in the War of 1914-18(1921), C.E.W. Bean argues that rumours were rife at Broadmeadows Camp about when the men would leave for overseas duty: ‘The wildest rumours, of the kind to which every army is subject, flew through both the people and the troops. In the Broadmeadows Camp, near Melbourne, the sanitary carts which went scavenging through the lines were marked on the back with the name of a manufacturer at Shepparton who made them — Furphy. These rumours of the camp came to be called "furphies," and subsequently in Egypt the word spread through the force.’ A similar account is given by a writer (the editor?) in Two Blues: Magazine of the 13th Battalion A.I.F.,December 1918: ‘We were asked by a reader the derivation of the word "furphy". In our Australian camps all we now call "Furphies" were called "Latrine Wireless Messages" and later "Latrines". In Victorian camps, water carts made by Furphy were used as sanitary carts — hence "Latrines" became "Furphies".’

Interestingly and quite coincidentally, the equivalent American term scuttlebutt originated in remarkably similar a fashion, but among sailors, not soldiers — The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:‘scuttlebutt n.1 A water-butt kept on a ship’s deck for drinking from; a drinking-fountain; fig. a source of rumour or gossip. 2 Rumour, idle gossip, unfounded report. colloq.(orig. US).’ Interestingly, too, the term Tom Collins (‘a rumour-monger’), the quasi-precursor of furphy at the end of the 19th century, was adopted as a pseudonym by John Furphy’s brother, the writer, Joseph Furphy, long before furphy came into being. Soon young furphy had killed old Tom Collins dead, as they tautologously say, and this ain’t no furphy — the use of ‘Tom Collins’ seems to have died out in the 1950s.

Well, you ASKED!

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JTT wrote:

msolga wrote:
dlowan wrote:

This vote thing is a furphy, by the way.

Yes, I think so, too, Deb.

Could either of you two ladies translate 'furphy' ferme, please?

No worries!

It's an Australian term which basically means putting a false position or telling a false story. I could give you a much longer answer, explaining where the term came from, etc, but I suspect basically that's what you want to know ...

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Snap!

The long & the short of it! Laughing

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ARE you short?

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Absolutely, cobber! Razz

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Short people got no reason.......

running away!!!!!!

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That's very wise of you, bunny! Evil or Very Mad

(5 ft 3 & a half inches, BTW, Any problem with THAT? Hmmm?)

But back to the topic before folk start getting hopping mad, hey?

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Hopping mad . . . i love it . . .

In fact, furphy and the discussion thereof has been one of the few interesting passages in a thread which has gone from Fox's idiotic contention that gay marriage diminishes her marriage to MOAN's idiotic contention that civil rights accorded to homosexuals diminish her civil rights.

Hooray for furphy . . .

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He's a bonza bloke!

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Well that killed that discussion, didn't it? ...... Sorry about that folks!

Please do continue

I'm running away, too, now.
The coast is clear!

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Thanks you two.

I suppose there are other words that came about in the same manner but is this really what one would wish for as their claim to fame. Are there still Furphys in Australia? I can't honestly say that I've ever heard the name before.

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MommaAngel I honestly don't know why you stay...I came on this site to reply to another post and soon realized this site is full of liberals that think the majority is on their side. I noticed how hateful they are to anyone that feels different then them... There is a silent majority out there that is starting to speak up about issues that the liberals are always trying to force down our throats...but it is backfiring...Don't worry I am leaving this site...say what you want to my reply..I honestly don't care...This says it all...

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Furphy was the name of a fellow in a famous shot Oz story, JTT. He told whoppers & spun yarns.

I can't say I've actually ever met a Furphy, but ....

(And you won't believe this, bit I rarely "talk Oz" ot "strine"in my real life, at all .... There's something about A2K that does it to me .... Never feel quite so Australian as here. Funny, that ..... Confused

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Hmmm...people supporting normal civil rights for people.... regardless of various factors that some might choose to be bigoted about...is "chasing" you away, eh Poohtigeretc?

You cannot bear even to consider yourself outnumbered on a discussion site without taking off in a huffy.

I wonder how you might feel if people were arguing that YOU should not be permited to marry etc?

Might give you a really bad day.

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poohtiggern2piglets wrote:

MommaAngel I honestly don't know why you stay...I came on this site to reply to another post and soon realized this site is full of liberals that think the majority is on their side. I noticed how hateful they are to anyone that feels different then them... There is a silent majority out there that is starting to speak up about issues that the liberals are always trying to force down our throats...but it is backfiring...Don't worry I am leaving this site...say what you want to my reply..I honestly don't care...This says it all...

Interesting...
I have found this site to be argumentative, sometimes to a point of infuriation (my own) but rarely have I found the people to be hateful. As a homosexual voice here who is something of a conservative (with smatterings of liberal shaken on my beliefs), I see no reason to turn and run. Why are you leaving this site if you feel it is tilting only in one direction? Wouldn't it make more sense to hang around and express your views and in that way let others perhaps hear some ideas or an approach to an idea which they had previously not been exposed to?

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Oh sure, opt for a reasonable and balanced approach to debate . . . are you tryin' to give us a bad name ? ! ? ! ?

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Is there any other purpose in life?

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I can think of quite a few better ways to spend your life than tryin' to give us a bad name.

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Indeed yes.

We can do THAT for ourselves, thank you very much!

Oh dear....sort of wrong thread....

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