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The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

 
 
Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 09:18 am
Setanta wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
So tell me. What right do you or anybody not have under the current marriage laws? Until you guys have the integrity to answer that question, you are just spitting in the wind so far as making a case for how you want the laws to be.


The right to marry someone of the same gender. You just don't get it, do you? We have the integrity, and it does not surprise me that you stoop to suggesting that anyone here doesn't.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 09:22 am
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Why is it so difficult for you to understand that thinking people don't share your myopic vision of equality. Equality is NOT a half measure or a three-quarter or a nine-tenths measure; equality is equality.


It is mind-boggling, isn't it?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 10:27 am
Foxie's false argument is actually listed here as one of several standard illogical arguments against same-sex marriage.
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 03:47 pm
Foxfrye, this point has probably made before (possibly even by me). Homosexuals want the right to marry the person they love. In their case it will usually be one of the same gender. Heterosexuals also want the right to marry the person they love. In their case it will usually be one of a different gender; hence heterosexuals have the right to marry the one they love and homosexuals do not. Is that clear enough?
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 03:53 pm
Should be, Flyboy - it's as clear as anyone here put it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 04:04 pm
It's clear - TOO clear....brrrrrrr.....
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 04:12 pm
The United Church of Christ has approved homosexual weddings. The Church, with an estimated membership of one million four hundred thousand, and nearly six thousand congregations in the country, was the first church to ordain a black man (1785), the first church to ordain a woman (1853), the first to publish the writing of a black American author (1773).

The church is an "open" church, which means each congregation may accept or reject the position of the Synod.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 04:22 pm
Guardian article on UCC Synod's approval of gay marriage.

United Church of Christ web site.

There is a very interesting television ad which the UCC has been airing . . . you can see it at their God is still speaking website . . . no religionist i, as well you all know, i was favorably impressed . . .
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 05:48 pm
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How many times does it have to be pointed out to you, Foxfyre? This "gold standard" is being denied to a large group of people SIMPLY because of their sexual orientation.


A large group? Does 3-5% really constitute a large group.

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All anyone is asking for is for people to be treated equally.


Being allowed to marry is already a right. The law is treating them equally.

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It's folks like you who are content to see discriminatory laws be put in place to make people second class citizens.


They aren't 2nd class citizens. They are treated just as everyone else is treated. Drive cars, sit on a bus, hold a job, buy a house and even sit in restaurants. How is any of this type of treatment being 2nd class?

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Why is it so difficult for you to understand that thinking people don't share your myopic vision of equality.


Those that don't agree with you are not thinking people? That's interesting in and of its self. The rest of us who don't share your views are dumb?

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Equality is NOT a half measure or a three-quarter or a nine-tenths measure; equality is equality.


As noted many times there is equality you just don't want to expect it as equality. What you want is not equality but special treatment and forced acceptance. It has nothing to do with equality. Gay people can marry as the law sits now.
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 06:14 pm
Baldimo, you answered many of the previous questions (not necessarily satisfactorily) but not mine. How is it equal when heterosexuals can marry the person they love and homosexuals can not?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 06:26 pm
Since when does love have a factor in marriage? If 2 roommates wanted to marry out of convince for tax reasons does love factor into their marriage?

Do you need govt approval of your love for it to be real?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 07:04 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Since when does love have a factor in marriage? If 2 roommates wanted to marry out of convince for tax reasons does love factor into their marriage?

Do you need govt approval of your love for it to be real?


Most people nowadays marry for love. Sometimes though people get married to disguise their gay or gender-dysphoric tendencies.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 07:07 pm
flyboy804 wrote:
Baldimo, you answered many of the previous questions (not necessarily satisfactorily) but not mine. How is it equal when heterosexuals can marry the person they love and homosexuals can not?


How is it equal treatment when a gay or lesbian can be denied a job or housing because of their sexual or gender orientation?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 07:31 pm
Chrissee wrote:
flyboy804 wrote:
Baldimo, you answered many of the previous questions (not necessarily satisfactorily) but not mine. How is it equal when heterosexuals can marry the person they love and homosexuals can not?


How is it equal treatment when a gay or lesbian can be denied a job or housing because of their sexual or gender orientation?


It depends on what is being done. If a man comes into my business looking for a job dressed like a woman and has to have face-to-face relations with my customers, I'm going to select someone who will not raise questions or cause problems. In the place where I work now it wouldn't make a difference because we answer incoming phone calls and people don't know what we look like so it doesn't matter. We have several people who work here who have had or in the process of being changed from the way they were born. From what I can tell they are all very happy working here.

Personal businesses should have the right to hire who they want and let live in their apartments. This goes not only for a persons orientation but also on many factors such as how they dress what they where on their faces (jewelry/tattoos). A govt agency should have to hire everyone regardless of who or what they are.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 08:53 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
flyboy804 wrote:
Baldimo, you answered many of the previous questions (not necessarily satisfactorily) but not mine. How is it equal when heterosexuals can marry the person they love and homosexuals can not?


How is it equal treatment when a gay or lesbian can be denied a job or housing because of their sexual or gender orientation?


It depends on what is being done. If a man comes into my business looking for a job dressed like a woman and has to have face-to-face relations with my customers, I'm going to select someone who will not raise questions or cause problems. In the place where I work now it wouldn't make a difference because we answer incoming phone calls and people don't know what we look like so it doesn't matter. We have several people who work here who have had or in the process of being changed from the way they were born. From what I can tell they are all very happy working here.

Personal businesses should have the right to hire who they want and let live in their apartments. This goes not only for a persons orientation but also on many factors such as how they dress what they where on their faces (jewelry/tattoos). A govt agency should have to hire everyone regardless of who or what they are.



So Baldimo goes on the record for discrimination against gays. That was easy.

BTW baldie, just putting on a dress doesn't make you a transsexual, it makes you a man in a dress.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 09:17 pm
Chrissee wrote:
So Baldimo goes on the record for discrimination against gays. That was easy.


Not against gays, against anyone you don't want to hire. If you noted I also said people who walk in with jewerly and tattoos on their faces. Do only gay people get this done?

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BTW baldie, just putting on a dress doesn't make you a transsexual, it makes you a man in a dress


Both seem distrubed to me.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 09:21 pm
What state are you claiming that you do business in?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 10:23 pm
Chrissee wrote:
What state are you claiming that you do business in?


Colorado.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 10:56 pm
I don't know what the laws are in Colorado but you would be opening up yourself to litigation if you operated in Cali.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jul, 2005 11:00 pm
Chrissee wrote:
I don't know what the laws are in Colorado but you would be opening up yourself to litigation if you operated in Cali.


So free business in CA isn't free?
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