The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

Here's the funny part, I haven't mentioned the bible at all. I don't govern my life on the bible and I don't expect others to either. Not being a Christian, it's quite easy to feel this way. I have mentioned science and that is what I'm going on.

I would agree that straight is the default condition or even the norm. Norm being different from normal and not the same.

Harper wrote:

Baldimo, did you choose to be straight, assuming you really are straight and not a closet gay in denial?

Not sure about being a closet gay . You could be right though, I have looked at another man and thought, "he's a god looking guy". It could also be security with my sexuality. Who knows you have any ideas?

Einherjar wrote:

Being a transsexual, transgendered woman, I encounter men all the time who have a problem with me if they "clock"me as TG/TS. As I have discussed at length with my therapist, it is they who have the problem. (insecurity about themselves)

I would beg to differ with you that heterosexuality is the norm, that is only your opinion, my opinon is that the majority of people are bi-sexual to some degree and it is only our culture that prevents most people from acting upon their natural proclivities. Most men will certainly engage in some form of homosexual sex when women are not available. And my impression is that most women will engage in gay sex under the right circumstances. (Although I am still new to this part of the equation, being a pre-op Lesbian TG woman is kind of difficult, I am by choice celibate for now but I have a lot of gay and bi platonic girlfriends)

Being a transsexual, transgendered woman

However, it seems to me that those who argue most boistrously supporting gay marriage fails to do the same thing. They fail to try to understand the opposite viewpoint.

Here is a SPECIFIC way in which straight people and straight marriages are harmed by the concept of gay marriage

Thomas - a careful reading of the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling (viz. link posted above) will show that the Court specifically warned against "unintended consequences". To wit, while the marriage of "Mary and Joe" might remain unaffected, the civil union of "Jane and Peter" is sure to get cancelled by fallout from attempts to pass "same-sex marriage" amendments. The many persons (of all genders) now in civil unions in states where they're still legal have reason to oppose such new legislation..

McGentrix wrote:

However, it seems to me that those who argue most boistrously supporting gay marriage fails to do the same thing. They fail to try to understand the opposite viewpoint.

Here is a SPECIFIC way in which straight people and straight marriages are harmed by the concept of gay marriage

McGentrix, I am trying to understand your viewpoint, but I don't see how the article you linked to demonstrates any harm caused by same-sex marriage. Could you describe a plausible, possibly hypothetic case where Peter being married to Paul would harm the marriage between Mary and Joe, in a way that Peter being married to Jane would not? That would give me an impression of the harm you think same-sex marriage is doing.

Why do people get married Thomas?

McGentrix wrote:

Why do people get married Thomas?

Because they want to commit themselves to a life-long bond with each other in public, and maybe raise children together in the future. I see no reason why homosexuals wouldn't be able to make that kind of commitment. And while they can't conceive children, I also see no reason why they can't adopt them and raise them together. But as I said, the "raising" children part is optional anyway. Nobody today would deny (heterosexual) marriage to seniors on the basis that they are infertile, so I see no reason for denying it to homosexuals on grounds of infertility.

I hope I have answered your question. Will you answer mine?

A man cannot substitute for a womans influence, and a woman cannot substitute for a mans influence. To suggest that a homosexual couple raising children is normal or a right is abolutely wrong in my opinion. It might seem right to the couple, but what about the child? How willl they be perceived? Dads name is Bob and Moms name is Larry? WTF? Gender roles DO exist and they are important to a childs development.