The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

Chrissee wrote:

Lash wrote:

... and also thought this was a surprising departure.

It is not that surprisng that Non-Catholics would have a skewed view about what Catholics REALLY believe.

Of course not. Some Catholics don't know what Catholics believe.

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

Conclusion: The moral disapproval of the religious folk with respect to who may or may not be married in their church cannot serve as a legitimate basis for laws of general application.

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Not in the least. I can love a woman much better the way I am then I ever could as a women. Besides I love my hangy parts. Wouldn't change them for anything.

Are you going to answer a question or just ask more?

Spain will be the third country in Europe with gay marriage. [..]

The first Spanish gay marriage will be a fact this month still, and that in the most progressive version: gay couples can adopt children from outside the country's borders too. That is not possible in the other countries with gay marriage, Belgium and The Netherlands. They are working on it in The Netherlands though: the government last week voted for a proposal of [Christian-Democratic] minister Donner that arranges this question.

Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero was unexpectedly present at the vote to mark the historic moment - just thirty years ago, homosexuals were still prosecuted. He spoke of a 'large step on the way of freedom and tolerance'. Zapatero has 'respect for persons and institutions' who have resisted gay marriage, but at the same time said that Spain 'from now on is a more decent country, because a decent society does not humiliate any citizen'.

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Not in the least. I can love a woman much better the way I am then I ever could as a women. Besides I love my hangy parts. Wouldn't change them for anything.

Are you going to answer a question or just ask more?

So, in other words, you just fantasize about being a woman?

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Not in the least. I can love a woman much better the way I am then I ever could as a women. Besides I love my hangy parts. Wouldn't change them for anything.

Are you going to answer a question or just ask more?

So, in other words, you just fantasize about being a woman?

Does liking my nipples being played with count as fantasizing as a woman?

You still havent answered my question.

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Not in the least. I can love a woman much better the way I am then I ever could as a women. Besides I love my hangy parts. Wouldn't change them for anything.

Are you going to answer a question or just ask more?

So, in other words, you just fantasize about being a woman?

Does liking my nipples being played with count as fantasizing as a woman?

You still havent answered my question.

You like your nipples played with? I have been with A LOT OF GUYS and the only ones who liked their nipples stimulated also liked a ***** up their ***...well, I would tell you more but this a PG forum.

My personal life is not a topic of discussion, yours is because you opened the door by telling the whole world that you felt like a woman trapped in a man's body.

More on Spain (just cursorily translating from Trouw, a liberal Christian Dutch newspaper):

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Spain will be the third country in Europe with gay marriage. [..]

The first Spanish gay marriage will be a fact this month still, and that in the most progressive version: gay couples can adopt children from outside the country's borders too. That is not possible in the other countries with gay marriage, Belgium and The Netherlands. They are working on it in The Netherlands though: the government last week voted for a proposal of [Christian-Democratic] minister Donner that arranges this question.

Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero was unexpectedly present at the vote to mark the historic moment - just thirty years ago, homosexuals were still prosecuted. He spoke of a 'large step on the way of freedom and tolerance'. Zapatero has 'respect for persons and institutions' who have resisted gay marriage, but at the same time said that Spain 'from now on is a more decent country, because a decent society does not humiliate any citizen'.

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

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I didn't say I felt like a woman trapped in a mans body I said I was a lesbian trapped in a woman's body. Doesn't the GLBT community make a distinction between gender and sex?

You don't seem to remember what you said, Baldimo. You said that you are a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Now you say that you are a lesbian trapped in a woman's body. Do you know what you are? It seems that you don't/can't make a distinction between gender

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Not in the least. I can love a woman much better the way I am then I ever could as a women. Besides I love my hangy parts. Wouldn't change them for anything.

Are you going to answer a question or just ask more?

So, in other words, you just fantasize about being a woman?

Does liking my nipples being played with count as fantasizing as a woman?

You still havent answered my question.

You like your nipples played with? I have been with A LOT OF GUYS and the only ones who liked their nipples stimulated also liked a ***** up their ***...well, I would tell you more but this a PG forum.

My personal life is not a topic of discussion, yours is because you opened the door by telling the whole world that you felt like a woman trapped in a man's body.

I didn't say I felt like a woman trapped in a mans body I said I was a lesbian trapped in a woman's body. Doesn't the GLBT community make a distinction between gender and sex?

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

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I didn't say I felt like a woman trapped in a mans body I said I was a lesbian trapped in a woman's body. Doesn't the GLBT community make a distinction between gender and sex?

You don't seem to remember what you said, Baldimo. You said that you are a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Now you say that you are a lesbian trapped in a woman's body. Do you know what you are? It seems that you don't/can't make a distinction between gender

My typo. Or was that really a Freudian slip?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10C10FE345C0C7A8DDDAF0894DD404482&incamp=archive:search

Unfortunately now archived ($3.95 to gain access) this was a very good piece on the folks in the anti-gay marriage movement and what's going on in their noggins. I've got the hard copy, but recommend the investment of four bucks to those who didn't read it yet.

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

We understand you are a heterophobe Chris. You do not need to keep shouting it from the rooftops.

You asked "Did you choose your sexual orientation?"

Yes. I chose not to be a homosexual. That left one other option, heterosexual.

Oh so you really are gay then?

Yes I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body and I love every minute of it. How about you?

Oh, so you are a transsexual then. Are you going to do the change?

None of the above. No changes happy with how I was born and I don't need any changes. Can you say the same thing?

You already defined yourself as a transsexual, a woman trapped in a man's body, are you rertracting the statement?

Not in the least. I can love a woman much better the way I am then I ever could as a women. Besides I love my hangy parts. Wouldn't change them for anything.

Are you going to answer a question or just ask more?

So, in other words, you just fantasize about being a woman?

Does liking my nipples being played with count as fantasizing as a woman?

You still havent answered my question.

You like your nipples played with? I have been with A LOT OF GUYS and the only ones who liked their nipples stimulated also liked a ***** up their ***...well, I would tell you more but this a PG forum.

My personal life is not a topic of discussion, yours is because you opened the door by telling the whole world that you felt like a woman trapped in a man's body.

I didn't say I felt like a woman trapped in a mans body I said I was a lesbian trapped in a woman's body. Doesn't the GLBT community make a distinction between gender and sex?

A lesbian is by definition a woman, your orientaion doesn't affect the fact that you stated that you are a transsexual. Many if not most transsexual women are Lesbians.

The article makes the same mistake the gay-marriage lobby makes, however. It promotes the agenda by attacking traditional marriage.