The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

Or those who think the marriage traditionalists are religious nuts and homophobic with Nazi tendencies?

Ticomaya wrote:

Wow. Setanta, here is the link to the exchange I referred to earlier when you were referred to as a level-headed poster not inclined to making personally insulting remarks ...

As my guru Richard Feynman once wrote, nobody is responsible for meeting other people's expectations in him. If those expectations are disappointed, this is just tough luck for those who had false expectations. In particular, Setanta is not responsible for meeting your expectations of level-headedness. And, speaking strictly for myself, levelheadedness is not something I value in an opponent. Levelheaded or not, I value opponents who have something to say -- and Setanta does.

You have every right to continue with that levelheadedness thing, Ticomaya, but I would appreciate it if you drop it.

. . . although you stated you recognized the deleterious effects smoking MJ has on your lungs, you never said you ever stopped. I assume you still consider yourself an adult. Thus, it is not really much of an assumption on my part to conclude, assuming you were being both honest and accurate when you made your earlier statement, that you are a proponent of your own continuing drug use. If you are not, it appears you are merely a hypocrite, or were not being honest or accurate.

At no time did I accuse you of having "promoted" drug use. My use of the word "proponent" was in the context that you "support" the idea of drug use, or perhaps you were not aware of that definition of the word? Surely you could have figured out the proper context given the questions I asked of you immediately following my statement. You might check yourself before you blithely accuse others of making assumptions ....

In point of fact, i said that zealotry is a form of extremism always just a step away from the murderous. So it is not at all apparent that i enjoy coloring anyone anything.

You are so vehemently angry, that you here constantly attempt to portray me as hating anyone with religious beliefs. That is not true, and there is nothing in my posts to suggest as much.

I can assure you that what you choose to believe or not to believe is a matter of complete indifference to me.

You here demonstrate what i've just written earlier, that you are willfully conflating my use of the term religionists with simply the religiously faithful. I have no notion that, and rather doubt that, there are millions of zealots in this country. Were there, i'd be finding a new country to live in pronto. You are so desparate to make a case that i hate anyone with a religious beliefs that your assertions verge on the hysterical.

You write of a disproportionately small number of homosexuals murdered each year. How odd. What would you consider a commensurate number of homosexuals to be murdered each year, and just what do you intend to do about it?

Omar wrote:

You have some very odd stereotypes of religionists. Over the last few posts, you sound dangerously close to white racists who have odd reasons for hating blacks & minorities. How difficult is it for you to say, I despise people who bomb anybody for any reason?

I haven't stereotyped everyone who has a religious faith, and once again, that is the implication you are reaching for in your attempt to slur me--i write religionist, and you immediately translate that into anyone who is religious.

Interesting turn of phrase again. What would you consider a justified reason for bombing someone?

I go to bed each night without the least thought of religion or the professors thereof, and this is no obsession with me. I sleep at night untroubled by thoughts of religion or the religious because it simply is not that important to me. I would take care around a vicious dog, but i do not go through life in fear of a vicious dog, i simply keep in mind the danger. The same goes for religious zealotry.

You care to specify which "conclusions" are wrong, and why it is that this is so? Or are you perhaps just venting your spleen?

As for people who bomb "anybody for any reason," there are people all over the world who bomb others for a variety of reasons. I live in America. Here, apart from 9/11, all of our bombings have come from zealous wackos of one description or another, but most frequently have come in the form of abortion clinic bombings.

I live here, these are the things which concern me. Certainly the bombers on 9/11 were zealous wackos, but Al Quaeda is a more remote threat than is christian zealotry, as i am not surrounded by Muslims, but i am surrounded by Christians.

Let me just say, I'm so educated now.

Consider it dropped.

You still don't get it, OdF.

There is an enormous difference between disliking/hating people and disliking/hating their behaviours (or the outcomes of their behaviours).

Parents learn to appreciate this difference very quickly. They may well hate that their children cr@p on the floor, and they may hate the resulting odor and clean-up activity required - but they do not hate their children.

You still don't get it, OdF.

There is an enormous difference between disliking/hating people and disliking/hating their behaviours (or the outcomes of their behaviours).

Parents learn to appreciate this difference very quickly. They may well hate that their children cr@p on the floor, and they may hate the resulting odor and clean-up activity required - but they do not hate their children.

Dog help us . . . who gives a rats ass who "agrees" with homosexuality. It is not a choice, it is a fact of life for those who are homosexual.

Sheesh, religionists make me sick to my stomach.