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The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 12:33 pm
HofT wrote:
Never mind, Crissee, this is the first and last time I correct an error in such an argument. Views on gun control and higher taxes sank the Democrats in 1994. Views on same-sex marriage may well do the same in the next electoral cycle - the louder voices like yours are heard the better.

More generally:
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"Not since 1928 has a president continued GOP control of the White House into a new term along with a re-elected Republican House and Senate.........The Republican test going forward, and one voters should hold them to, is whether the party can now put its permanent stamp on Washington in a way that is consistent with its professed conservative philosophy. More than just a challenge for Mr. Bush, the next two years will tell us if this GOP majority is made to last or will be as evanescent as the Whigs."
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=110006179


Now here's the interesting part from Gigot's column (I liked this fellow, before he fell into the warm embrace of big money, sanctimonious power, and certainty a la Trotskyites)...
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Presidential wannabes John McCain and Chuck Hagel are two of the holdouts, suggesting how little they understand the Republican coalition.

Personal integrity, individualism in viewpoint...those are bad things. Subsuming self into the greater whole (the Republican coalition) is the proper place of a true modern Conservative American. We promise we will give you your balls back later...honest.

The irony of it all, the fraudulent Hollywood western facade stapled up for populist consumption...it's almost too much for this slight canadian boy. Gigot and Kristols three and helen and Grover and the Bush folk - them's the true red state backbone of 'merica.
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HofT
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 02:39 pm
McCain and Hagel are 2 of the most highly respected people in the Republican Party. Gigot is a good man, so's Grover, but Kristol is the former Marxist, current neo-con (aka con) whose agenda is suspected by most. Please revise your assessment, Bernie, Gigot left Kristol out for a reason.

In a completely unrelated aside, would you be kind enough to e-mail any and all docs ref project we discussed to G OB? Thanks!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 03:51 pm
HofT wrote:
McCain and Hagel are 2 of the most highly respected people in the Republican Party. Gigot is a good man, so's Grover, but Kristol is the former Marxist, current neo-con (aka con) whose agenda is suspected by most. Please revise your assessment, Bernie, Gigot left Kristol out for a reason.

In a completely unrelated aside, would you be kind enough to e-mail any and all docs ref project we discussed to G OB? Thanks!


helen
I love you. Such personal affection notwithstanding, McCain, as you know, was savaged in the most disgusting and deceitful manner by Rove and Bush. Anything for power. He will not be able to achieve the nomination in four years unless he makes compromises that he (please god) won't make with the christian component and likely some others. He'll cause division, and that's what Gigot is talking about. I'm sure Paul is a fine fellow, and he's certainly a great writer, but he's on board a cause and program I think Lincoln would find heresy. I do understand it was the Kristol's, ma and pa, who came out of the leftist camp years back. As to Grover, I'll take your personal recommendation under advice. May I speak to you about Noam's personal qualities? (I haven't met him, I'm just bluffing for rhetorical balance). One tries to piece these things together as well as one can, to suss out interests and deceits and motives and likely consequences. There are very few people I trust any longer, McCain is one the few. And I certainly do not trust a future where this present conservative coalition holds power for thirty years. Now, if you were to replace David Gergen in what you've said above of Grover, I'd be in your front pocket.

And...george...if you PM me an address, I'll fed ex a package to you.
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HofT
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 03:53 pm
I love you too, Blatham. Thanks!
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HofT
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 03:57 pm
PS - that Noam Chomsky you mean? He's down the hall when I'm in Cambridge, and I think he'll take the time to meet with you if you come to the premises.

Noam's ability to talk to machines is held in awe by all who've worked in artificial intelligence - he's OK with most humans too!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 04:19 pm
HofT wrote:
PS - that Noam Chomsky you mean? He's down the hall when I'm in Cambridge, and I think he'll take the time to meet with you if you come to the premises.

Noam's ability to talk to machines is held in awe by all who've worked in artificial intelligence - he's OK with most humans too!


Funny, girl. A few years back in an interview I read, he confessed he'd really just gotten around to the email thing. He said, "I'm something of a Luddite."
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HofT
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 04:28 pm
He's a wizard talking to computers all the same - somebody else writes the code <G>
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 04:38 pm
On this matter, I'll trust you as if you were speaking from a glowing opening in the heavens.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 04:40 pm
Now that's an interesting figure of speech!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 05:09 pm
Gad...what the navy does to people.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 05:10 pm
Thats Navy pal!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 08:25 pm
george...you have exciting thighs.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 08:34 pm
Gawd, I hope he'll never chicken out (and I hope he doesn't have exciting breasts).
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2005 10:32 pm
The mere fact that this thread has reached 47 pages speaks volumes. Could it be that those who are trying to do the convincing are really trying to convince themselves?
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2005 06:46 am
Direct quote from Noam's class on AI, since Blatham likes him, written exactly as it was said:

"Which is the word that all educated people spell incorrectly?"

No human has ever been able to answer this question, but all machines have answered without difficulty; the word is, quite simply, "incorrectly".

Our brains automatically consider the word as part of the phrase, while computers must parse all elements individually and so insert the quotation marks. And btw, thanks again for sending those docs to G!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2005 09:58 am
Chrissee wrote:
The mere fact that this thread has reached 47 pages speaks volumes. Could it be that those who are trying to do the convincing are really trying to convince themselves?


Here I think you are, at last, correct. The thread was started by one who wished to convince everyone that homophobia, and nothing else, was behind all the opposition to gay marriage. He and the other proponents of this obviously false idea have persisted for a long time in the face of reasoned, rational observations and arguments by people who are quite willing to recognize lasting unions between homosexual couples - they just don't wish to classify and call them by the same term as unions between men and women that can produce children..
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2005 03:07 pm
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The thread was started by one who wished to convince everyone that homophobia, and nothing else, was behind all the opposition to gay marriage.


george, eyes aflame, bayonets the strawman again and again and again.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2005 03:31 pm
Yeah, but great thighs.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2005 03:41 pm
Gay marriage opponents your participation is requested here.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 21 Jan, 2005 04:20 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Yeah, but great thighs.


Ya got me laughin
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