I want to thank my mother and god and the great state of texas for making all this (holding up trophy and an abu ghraib lightstick) possible.
Blatham
blatham wrote:I want to thank my mother and god and the great state of texas for making all this (holding up trophy and an abu ghraib lightstick) possible.
don't let it go to your head, Blatham. Next time you might get the DUD award.
BBB
And I will lay the blame for that on precisely the same three.
Blatham
blatham wrote:And I will lay the blame for that on precisely the same three.
You are one stubborn in-a-rut Dude!
BBB
from a column today at Townhall, bastion of rational discourse...
Quote:...The Goal
As with every major political movement, the homosexual lobby is pushing a specific agenda. It is often called the "gay agenda." At its core is a concerted effort to remove from society all traditional notions of sexual morality and replace them with the post-modern concept of sexual relativism. That is to say, when it comes to sex, there is never right or wrong. All sexual appetites are "equal." If it feels good, do it.
Ultimately, the homosexual lobby's primary objective is to radically redefine our foundational institutions of legitimate marriage and the nuclear family by unraveling God's natural design for human sexuality. In so doing, they hope to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.
This creates cultural and moral anarchy...
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MattBarber/2008/02/13/unmasking_the_%e2%80%9cgay%e2%80%9d_agenda
Meanwhile in Arizona the homophobe lobby takes aim once again.
Quote: A narrower gay-nuptial ban may go to AZ voters
By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 02.12.2008
PHOENIX - Unable to persuade voters to ban gay marriage, civil unions and domestic-partner benefits in 2006, proponents are reloading and taking aim at a smaller target.
A proposed amendment to the Arizona Constitution, filed Monday by Senate President Tim Bee, seeks to ask voters to spell out in the constitution that "only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as marriage in this state." Bee, R-Tucson, managed to get 15 of the 16 other GOP senators to sign on as sponsors...
...A 1996 Arizona law already bars same-sex marriages. That statute was ruled constitutional in 2003 by the state Court of Appeals, a decision the Arizona Supreme Court left untouched.
But Ron Johnson, who lobbies on behalf of the Arizona Catholic Conference, said the initiative still is necessary.
"At some point, a court (or) the Legislature could overturn our statute," Johnson said. "So we want to let the people decide whether to put this in the constitution."
Under civil law they will eventually have to allow civil unions for same sex couples. Unless America becomes a theocracy there is absolutely no valid reason for gay people to be denied this. As far as the so called 'gay agenda' is concerned, it would appear that some people can not grasp that politics are all about agendas. Without agendas there wouldn't be a worthwhile political process.
Whatever objections people may have to gay civil unions, they are predominantly based on religious opinions and beliefs, which are nothing more than conjecture. There is not one single shred of evidence that allowing gay civil unions will destroy the fabric of society or bring about the decline of civilizations. Objections to this issue are, fundamentally and without a doubt, attempts to proliferate anti-gay discrimination, especially when people with such views make assertions to the contrary.
So, getting back to the original point, unless America plunges into a major social, cultural and intellectual regression, gay civil unions will become a reality. This is not a moot point, but a fact. So all of you, who live in perpetual fear of this happening, can just stop wasting your time voicing your objections. There are still plenty of countries where they still torture and kill homosexuals, free thinkers, intellectuals and racial/cultural minorities - perhaps you'd be better off living there.
Cheers
I think they should also include that those of Irish, German and Yoruba ancestry cannot mate or marry. That way, over time, we can get rid of the
Irish, German, Yoruba and Gay Agendas.
I really hate it when I'm just sitting down to dinner and I get bugged by these hideous groups and their plans to subvert society.
Re: Lawyers Argue Legal Status of Gay Unions
Debra Law wrote:(and the right to marry is a fundamental right)
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What nonsense.
There are lots of people who cannot marry legally.
Mothers cannot marry their sons.
Fathers cannot marry their daughters.
Brothers and sisters cannot marry.
Two men cannot marry three women.
One woman cannot marry seven men.
A man cannot marry his dog.
And blacks cannot marry whites.
Or, more accurately, they couldn't in California until the early 1970s when laws banning interracial marriage were set aside as clear violations of equality provisions stemming from earlier bigotry.
There are rational reasons to disallow couplings or marriage between family members. But those reasons don't apply to marriage between people of the same gender.
That they cannot, on their own, produce progeny is not sufficient because that situation holds true where one of any couple of opposite genders is infertile and we understand that disallowing marriage to such a couple is unreasonable and a serious violation of civil/human rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/14gay.html
blatham wrote:
There are rational reasons to disallow couplings or marriage between family members.
To which some would answer:
Quote:'Rational' to you perhaps.
What care those in love what you consider 'rational' or no?
Why should your conception of what is or isn't 'rational' hinder those lovebirds?
The point is, that there ARE ( as you admit ) reasonable grounds for denying the 'right' of marriage under many circumstances.
Your argument for homosexual marriage collapses.
Then, let us once again ban interracial marriage.
The CThe California Supreme Court overturns the state's gay marriage ban.
The New York Times wrote:SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The California Supreme Court has overturned a ban on gay marriage, paving the way for California to become the second state where gay and lesbian residents can marry.
The justices released the 4-3 decision Thursday, saying that domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage in an opinion written by Chief Justice Ron George.
The cases were brought by the city of San Francisco, two dozen gay and lesbian couples, Equality California and another gay rights group in March 2004 after the court halted San Francisco's monthlong same-sex wedding march that took place at Mayor Gavin Newsom's direction.
Full New York Times article
The full opinion of the Court is here (PDF file):
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S147999.PDF
Hooray for equality!
Cycloptichorn
HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let Freedom Ring!!!
Meanwhile the homophobes in Arizona try again for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriages after being defeated in 2006.
Same-sex-marriage ban advances
Quote:Also supporting the move was Rep. Marian McClure, a Tucson Republican, who said she thought a constitutional amendment was unnecessary because same-sex marriage already is banned by state statute. But ultimately she voted for sending it to the ballot because of her personal religious briefs.
"If I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, how do I go into church next Sunday and try to explain to my pastor and to my Christian community that I voted saying that marriage was not between a man and a woman?" she said. "The average individual looks at the bill number and the title. What do they see? Marriage between one man and one woman."
Well Ms McClure, you simply could have told your pastor that constitutional amendments are for protecting rights not limiting them.
mesquite wrote:Well Ms McClure, you simply could have told your pastor that constitutional amendments are for protecting rights not limiting them.
Nonsense. Constitutional amendments are for enacting whatever sufficiently large majorities want enacted. They are a tool of democratic government, not of moral philosophy.
Sociologically, it's interesting how on some issues the will of the people must be heard, while on others the will of the people must be ignored.
You sure specialize in cryptic language that leaves you wiggle room out of anything substantial.
What is ignored by whom?