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Anti-Muslim Dutch politicians in hiding after death threats

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 02:49 pm
Quote:
Wilders: Muslims Should Tear Up Half The Koran

14/02/07
NIS News

If the Prophet Mohammed were living in the Netherlands today, he would have to be deported from the country. And if Muslims want to stay in the Netherlands, they must tear up and throw away half the Koran, says Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders. [..]
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 02:54 pm
Related new thread:

Studying Europe's Muslim terrorists
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 06:28 pm
A new research report by the city of Amsterdam has found that Amsterdam primary schools systematically send Turkish/Moroccan children to lower school levels than Dutch students with the same test results.

Quote:
Radio Netherlands Press Review Service
Wednesday 21 February 2007

* Primary discrimination

Also on the front page of De Telegraaf an article about ethnic discrimination at Amsterdam primary schools. 'Schools make the difference' the paper writes. It reports that head teachers often recommend children of Moroccan and Turkish descent to continue their education at a lower level than would be justified on the basis of the selection exams they sat in the last grade of primary school.

The article is based on research in which the exam results of more than 10,000 school children were compared to the recommendations made by their head teachers. On the basis of identical results, 31 percent of native Dutch kids were recommended to go on to pre-university education compared to only 17 percent of children from Moroccan and Turkish descent.

Amsterdam Councillor and Deputy Mayor Lodewijk Asscher said he was shocked by the figures and wants Amsterdam schools to explain the discrepancies.

(Its interesting that this was featured on the frontpage (big headlines, too) of De Telegraaf, btw - it's the Netherlands' largest newspaper, has a strong populist, rightwing slant, and is usually none too sympathetic toward the plight of immigrants/Muslims/Moroccans. The web version of the story is here).

An NRC story on the same topic quotes these numbers (my translation):

Quote:
"Of all the authochthonous ["native" Dutch] children in Amsterdam whose score in the Cito-test is in the category havo- or vwo-education [the secondary school levels that provide access to university or higher professional education] - 534 points or more - 28 percent gets a lower school recommendation from the primary school: vmbo. Among pupils of Surinamese descent, the number is 34 percent. Pupils of Moroccan and Turkish descent who get a havo- or vwo-level Cito-test score are on average worst off: of them, 41 and 44 percent, respectively, gets a lower recommendation than their test results justify.

The research report itself is called "Basisschooladviezen en etniciteit" (Education recommendations by primary schools and ethnicity), and both the report and the response by Deputy Mayor Lodewijk Asscher are on the Amsterdam city website (in Dutch): Basisschooladviezen en etniciteit
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 06:31 pm
More in English here:

Quote:
Expatica.nl Morning newspapers
21 February 2007

Schools Discriminate

In Amsterdam, native Dutch children are systematically sent to better schools based upon their results of the standardised CITO tests than children from immigrant families who have achieved the same results.


Quote:
Discrepancies in educational advice

Expatica.nl
21 February 2007

AMSTERDAM - Children of ethnic minority background in Amsterdam are more frequently given a recommendation for further education that clashes with their results on the standardised CITO test than children of native Dutch background.

This has emerged from the report "Primary school recommendations and ethnicity" presented by the Amsterdam municipality on Tuesday.

The study shows that students of ethnic minority background who get a high score on the test are more often referred to lower levels of further education than native Dutch students.

Only 28% of native Dutch students are recommended for programmes below the level demonstrated on their test performance - this figure is much higher for Moroccans, Surinamese, and Turks: 41, 34, and 44 percent respectively.


Quote:
Ethnic minority kids sent to lower schools

DutchNews.nl
Wednesday 21 February 2007

Labour (PvdA) and Socialist MPs want the schools inspectorate to investigate why so many primary school children from ethnic minority backgrounds are sent to less academic secondary schools than their white peers, despite getting the same marks in school tests.

Research by Amsterdam city council shows that over 40% of children with a Turkish or Moroccan background were recommended for schools below their intellectual capacity. Some 28% of native Dutch kids were sent to the wrong type of secondary school.

The sort of secondary school a child is sent to is based on a combination of the teacher's recommendations and, usually, the result of the so-called Cito test.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 09:03 am
Sounds like a Swedish Ayaan Hirsi Ali..


Summary:

Quote:
Sweden's Integration Minister Nyamko Sabuni has rejected accusations that she is Islamophobic, and vowed to defend the rights of women who are "oppressed in the name of religion". She has upset muslims by suggesting schools ban Islamic headscarves and saying there should be no Islamic schools. Burundi-born Sabuni is Sweden's first black cabinet member, but fifty Muslim organisations signed a petition against her appointment.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 Mar, 2007 04:17 pm
I was going to crosspost it here, but instead I'll only paste in a teaser, and you can go to the thread itself to read the rest:

Quote:
Riots in Utrecht, the Netherlands

Last Monday and yesterday, riots erupted in my old hometown Utrecht, sparked off in the working class neighbourhood of Ondiep.

I doublepost this on the Riots in France thread, because it was in a way how the Paris suburb riots started - in reverse.

A middle-aged local white resident was shot by police when it was called out to intervene in a street scuffle between him and (non-white) youths on the street. He died of his injuries. His death triggered these riots, in which mostly white youths turned against police and anything to do with the authorities, but also committed random violence.

In the two days, 135 people were arrested. Youths, many of them football supporters/hooligans who had gathered from across the region, went on a rampage, burning cars, smashing windows, and setting fire to a (former) policestation, a community centre, and a local office of the youth crime prevention program - but also a random student's back yard.

More to it than that, of course. Thats why, after reading about this, I made a collage from all the English-language accounts I could find of what happened. The result is below.

Read on..
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Mar, 2007 10:01 pm
And in 30 mins I'm off to for day-trip to Utecht :wink:

(So I'll go to Amerfoort as well in the afternoon - compare nimh's to dutchy's old hometown Laughing )
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 02:33 pm
Quote:
* RNW Press Review - Friday 16 March 2007

Today's de Volkskrant has a photo of a woman in a power suit and a pink headscarf sitting in a plush hotel in The Hague. She is one of a number of guests listening as the Dutch Council for Refugees presents its 2006 Integration Barometer.

The Refugee Council says that integration is not a problem for refugees, finding a job is the real problem. Thirty percent of refugees are unemployed; a level that the new Minister of Integration Ella Vogelaar says is "a waste of talent."

The Integration Barometer says that even when refugees can find jobs, most of them are over-qualified for the jobs that they can find. University graduates are washing dishes and doctors are sweeping floors.

One refugee from Burundi spent five years waiting for his case to be decided. He was not allowed to take Dutch lessons while he was waiting, which did not improve his chances of getting a decent job. He and his fellow refugees spent their time watching a language game show on daytime television in an attempt to learn Dutch.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 10:50 am
nimh wrote:
Sounds like a Swedish Ayaan Hirsi Ali..



And here's her Danish counterpart - or nemesis?

Feminist, socialist, devout Muslim: woman who has thrown Denmark into turmoil
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 07:52 am
Topic of the day in the Netherlands: Geert Wilders (leader of the rightwing-populistic Partij voor de Vrijheid [Freedom Party] demands the Koran to be banned because it was the Islamists' version of Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'.

He wrote that in a letter to the Dutch daily newspaper "De Volkskrant', published there today on page 11 ...

http://i18.tinypic.com/5z5su1c.jpg
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 11:22 am
ban the Koran?

I'm against banning books. Satanic verses

Mein Kampf

Lady Chatterley's Lover

Winnie the Pooh (the Sequel)

they can all corrupt. But corruption is part of the human condition. ok bye gotta pack.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 03:11 pm
Very nice section on Islamic Art in the Pergamon Museum. We went there today.

(you don't mind the occasional non-sequitur, I hope)
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 03:15 pm
Well, non sequitur is part of human nature, isn't it? Very Happy
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 04:48 pm
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The First Muslim Mayor in the Netherlands
A Man of Action

Deutsche Welle, via Qantara.de

Over a year ago Ahmed Marcouch became the first Muslim mayor of the Amsterdam district of Slotervaart. A Social Democrat, he
is a man of action, resolutely pushing through tough measures - something that doesn't always win him friends. Kerstin
Schweighöfer spoke to him.

August Allebé Square in Slotervaart, Amsterdam: women in long clothes carrying bags full of shopping walk by and disappear
into grey blocks of flats. The façades are dotted with satellite dishes. On the balconies, washing flutters in the wind.

Most of Slotervaart's 45,000 inhabitants are immigrants, largely from Morocco. Slotervaart became well-known because several
members of the Islamist terror organisation, the "Hofstadgroep", grew up there, as did Mohammed Bouyeri, murderer of the
Dutch film director Theo van Gogh.

At the last local elections in March 2006, Ahmed Marcouch was elected mayor of Slotervaart. Since then, the
forty-one-year-old Social Democrat has consistently made headline news. He cannot stand the authorities' typically Dutch
softly-softly approach - well meaning, but mostly all talk and no trousers. Marcouch is a man of action who resolutely
pushes through tough measures, something that does not always win him friends.

"He's trying to do us down."

A noisy group of Moroccan youths stands in front of a Turkish vegetable shop during their school break. They stick together,
having little contact with Dutch children their age. "Once Moroccan, always Moroccan!" says one of them. They have nothing
good to say about their new mayor.

Ahmed Marcouch is Moroccan from birth. One of his first actions as mayor was to summon the fathers of Moroccan problem
children to the town hall to have a serious talk with them, from Muslim to Muslim, as it were. "He's trying to do us down.
He's no longer a Moroccan; he's Dutch, and that makes him a traitor!" say the young people.

Marcouch is used to this kind of reaction. The forty-one-year-old is seen as a model immigrant: after jobbing as a nurse, a
carpenter, and a factory worker, he trained to be a policeman and patrolled the streets of Amsterdam for ten years.

Rejuvenating Slotervaart

Now he is trying his hand at politics. His goal is to restore quality of life to the Slotervaart district, which is run down
and has fallen into disrepute. "Of course there are citizens who see me as a threat," says Marcouch, "both among Dutch
residents and among immigrants. They have wished terrible diseases on me and called me a traitor." However, he says, he has
also received plenty of compliments. Many Muslims are proud of him; he gives them a feeling of belonging.

With his dynamic manner, firm handshake, his assertive look, and dark, scrutinizing eyes, there is no doubt that Marcouch is
nobody's fool, as the young Moroccan criminals he used to deal with as a policeman soon discovered. Together with six other
Muslim police officers he was given the task of re-establishing the contact with the Muslim population that his colleagues
had completely lost.

Help from an "anti-radicalization expert"

Marcouch forged personal links not just with many of these youths, but also with their parents. Now as then he believes in
dialogue with parents and imams: "Imams and parents play a key role. They must learn to take responsibility. It's already
very late and it will still take decades to sort this community out, but imams and parents have to show young Muslims the
way. This will stop them being poisoned by hatred."

In order to protect them from Islamist fundamentalists, Slotervaart has become the first Dutch municipality to employ a
so-called anti-radicalization professional, an expert on Islam who functions as a mediator between Muslim citizens and the
authorities.

The expert educates social workers and attempts to break down taboos so that Muslim citizens feel able to talk to Dutch
social authorities about their problems. Thanks to this expert, the imam in the Slotervaart mosque now preaches in Dutch.

The need for decent schools

The same mosque also hosts discussions for young Muslims to which Christians are invited. The hope is that these discussions
will help young Muslims to learn to think independently and engage in debate. "Then they will no longer be an easy target
for radical fundamentalists," says the mayor, "and young Muslims in Slotervaart will grow up to be Dutch Muslims."

But Marcouch is adamant that the council must do its homework too. This means tackling seemingly banal things like providing
an adequate rubbish-collection system. Since he became mayor, broken streetlamps and rubbish bins have been repaired
immediately. He has also invested in a programme of urban regeneration; whole streets are currently being restored.

Says Marcouch: "We also need decent schools. This is often the only chance for children from poor families. If, on top of
everything else, they end up in one of the worst schools in the country, we shouldn't be surprised if an underclass
emerges."

A symbol of toughness

Many sociologists and philosophers are encouraged by what Marcouch is doing. The fact that a Muslim immigrant mayor is
dedicated to improving a neighbourhood's quality of life shows that integration policies in the Netherlands are on the way
to creating a new equilibrium.

The Amsterdam cultural philosopher Ad Verbrugge shares this belief: "Ultimately the developments that have taken place since
the assassination of Theo van Gogh have resulted in something positive. The Muslim community had been passive for far too
long and saw itself as a victim. Now increasing numbers of Muslims realize that they too have to make a contribution to
integration and become more active. Marcouch is one of them. This is the only way to bridge the gulf between the Dutch
population and the immigrants."

This cannot succeed, however, without a new form of toughness, of which Marcouch is also a symbol. Verbrugge is convinced
that the time to be non-committal is over once and for all: "This is the only way to offer young people in districts like
Slotervaart a future. This is the only way we can confront the immense social problems there - problems that the whole of
Europe is fighting! And we are doing well in comparison!" Many European cities, such as Paris, he says, have districts where
life is much tougher than in Slotervaart.

Kerstin Schweighöfer

© DEUTSCHE WELLE 2007

Translated from the German by Steph Morris
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:30 pm
The big news in Holland this week is the expulsion of controversial former minister of Immigration and Integration, Rita Verdonk, from the rightwing liberal party VVD, in which she had been the number two politician.

For the backstory, see:

VVD in crisis after dismissing Verdonk.

Verdonk, who acquired the nickname "Iron Rita" for her hardline immigration and asylum policies in the two previous governments, is reserving the right to stay in Parliament as independent MP and possibly establishing her own party - and polls accord her anything between 12% and 18% of the vote if she would.

Note: that would be 12-18% on top of the numbers for Geert Wilders' anti-immigrant Party. His Freedom Party would in that scenario be left with another 5-7% -- making for a cumulative 19-23% for the anti-immigrant right.

Should Verdonk not found a party of her own, the polls indicate, it is Geert Wilders who would profit from the rift in the VVD, though to a somewhat more limited extent. In that scenario, the Freedom Party jumps up in the polls to 12-15% of the vote.

Geert Wilders had himself in the meantime already been creating some of the biggest waves in his political career yet earlier this month, with an outrageous, rabblerousing performance in a parliamentary debate on islamic activism.

It was a performance that arguably would have made Pim Fortuyn look like a moderate. The article below about that debate (my translation) is long, but worth reading in full.

When reading it, keep in mind that the debate did not cost Geert Wilders' party any support in the polls, which kept showing a clear increase in its popularity. On the bright side, they also showed a vast majority of the Dutch coming out against the ban of the Quran which Wilders has proposed. See the data underneath the article.


Quote:
NRC Handelsblad
7 September 2007

Geert Wilders, King or Jester?
Leader of Freedom Party mocks the conventions of parliament for hour and a half


By Derk Stokmans Guus Valk

Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders last night effortlessly turned a debate about islamic actvism his way. The Members of Parliament were reduced to being annoyed.

It was a "fantastic" contribution, Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders reviewed himself. For one hour and thirtyeight minutes he launched a frontal attack on the islamic religion in a parliamentary debate, in which he'd really only been allotted ten minutes of speaking time.

Continually interrupted by furious MPs, Wilders constructed a contribution in which he mocked the conventions of parliament. Minister Vogelaar (Labour) was "stark raving mad". "I am not going to take it back, I will repeat it again: stark raving mad!" Parliament was full of "cowards".

Several times his voice broke, as when he rythmically listed all the things that "regular Dutchmen" are fed up with. "They have enough of halal meat at the Albert Heyn [supermarket], enough of female circumcision, enough of sharia mortgages, enough of gaybashing, enough of the overrepresentation of muslims in the crime statistics." He spent his last seconds on mocking parliamentary chair Gerdi Verbeet. She warned him that he would still have eight seconds as soon as she turned on the microphone again. Wilders: "OK, do it, then! Do it, then!"

Without ever mentioning the actual topic of the debate once, Geert Wilders thus managed to turn a parliamentary debate about a report of the Scientific Council for Governmental Policy (WRR) about islamic activism his way entirely.

Causing much annoyance with the rest of Parliament. For the nth time, other MPs sighed that once again Wilders had succesfully taken the debate hostage. With visible and audible revulsion, the Labour, Democrat 66, Green Left and to a lesser extent Socialist parties tried to fight the frontal attack of the Freedom Party leader on Islam with arguments. The Christian Democratic and [conservative liberal] VVD parties kept quiet. Wilders fended off his colleagues with a mix of ridicule, insults and the occasional evasive answer.

What Wilders did do: repeat his earlier call in parliament for a ban on the Quran, extensively criticising Islam, in his words the religion that "declared war on the West 1.400 years ago, the religion of a barbarian who called himself a prophet." The tone was set. A better present than a debate about the Islam, Wilders said, he could not have gotten for his 44th birthday.

The Freedom Party leader early on threatened a vote of no-confidence against minister Vogelaar (Integration, Labour) because she could imagine that the Netherlands in a few centuries' time could be a land of jewish-christian-muslim traditions. She had said that in an interview with [the Christian newspaper] Trouw in July. To the minister: "With that [statement], you showed that you have gone stark raving mad." Vogelaar, according to Wilders, had betrayed Dutch culture. Prime Minister Balkenende reacted with annoyance to the contribution of Wilders, but did not mention him by name. [On the contrary, he said,] "We have to do everything we can to put people closer to each other. To set people apart on the basis of religion is irreconciable with our values. It leads to polarisation and prejudice. Words, Balkenende said, can carve wounds. Ëverybody has to be aware of that. That also goes for the way in which we address each other in this debate, the way in which has been spoken about one of the ministers."

One after the other Member of Parliament interrupted Wilders. They used different words, but all had the same message. The Freedom Party leader battles against Islam because he thinks it is an intolerant religion, which does not tolerate those who think differently. But Wilders himself, his opponents argued, also shows little tolerance for those who think differently. Democrats 66 leader Pechtold: "How can the Freedom Party leader, who says he stands for the unbridled freedom of expression, possibly call for a ban on a book?" Wilders' answer: "Forbidding the Quran will strengthen he freedom of expression and religion."

Labour MP Dijsselbloem said that Wilders gives moderate muslims the same message that Osama bin Laden and other radical muslims give them, namely: Islam is irreconcilable with western values. Dijsselbloem: "The tragedy of Wilders is that he says those idiots are right. You are on the side of the extremists." The answer from Wilders: "Better than on the side of the cowards."

The MPs asked what a ban on the Quran would really yield? Socialist deputy De Wit: "Should there be a Quran police then?" Dijsselbloem wondered whether Wilders really expected that islamic youths would no longer beat up gays if the Quran were no longer be on the bookshelves back home. Green Left leader Femke Halsema expressed her annoyance at the "symbolic mockeries of a debate that lead to nothing, as imam Wilders, the only one who knows the content of the Quran, will know." Just like the parliamentary leader of the Christian Union, Arie Slob, she came to the aid of Vogelaar: "You just said that Dutch people treat each other properly. I did not find you a lighting example of that."

After the contribution of Wilders, Parliament keyed back. In their own contribution, the other parties restricted themselves to commenting on the WRR report, bar the incidental brief snarl at Wilders. A report they rejected in large majority as being too optimistic about democratic currents within Islam.

Geert Wilders did not speak up again.

Officially, Parliament yesterday was debating the government's response to the report of the WRR on "Dynamism in Islamic Activism".

In april last year, the WRR wrote in that report that the Islam is not incompatible with democracy and human rights. The Council advised the government to establish ties with democratically elected parties in the islamic world, like Hamas. In the Netherlands, according to the Council, "fear of muslims has taken hold". And muslims "experience that they are unwelcome aliens because of their religion." The WRR argued that this downward spiral needed to be broken.


NB: The WRR report on "Dynamism in Islamic Activism" is available online in English. An English-language summary is available as well.

Two days after the debate, the weekly opinion poll of Maurice de Hond's polling agency saw no change in the support for Geert Wilders' party: it remained stable at 19 seats, or a gain of 10 compared to its current number (that's about 12-13% of the vote). The rival Political Barometer had the Freedom Party stable at 8,5% and 13 seats meanwhile.

Now, a week later, the news of Verdonk's expulsion from the VVD has reshuffled the cards but has only increased the overall share of the far right in the polls.

The above-mentioned post-debate opinion poll of Maurice de Hond's also asked:

Quote:
"[Wilders] indicated that he wanted to forbid the Quran as book in the Netherlands. Do you agree with him?"

14% -- Yes
83% -- No

Yes votes by party vote in 2006:

65% -- Freedom Party
27% -- Christian Union
24% -- VVD [rightwing liberal]
14% -- Christian Democrats
10% -- Socialist Party
3% -- Labour Party
2% -- Green Left

He also had serious objections against comments by Minister Vogelaar about our future society. She had said that the Dutch culture will eventually get a jewish-christian-islamic tradition. Do you agree with that statement by Minister Vogelaar?

55% -- No
37% -- Yes

No votes by party vote in 2006:

96% -- Freedom Party
77% -- VVD
69% -- Christian Democrats
59% -- Christian Union
41% -- Socialist Party
34% -- Labour Party
18% -- Green Left

Wilders called minister Vogelaar "stark raving mad". Do you agree with that description?

29% -- Yes
66% -- No

Yes votes by party vote in 2006:

87% -- Freedom Party
56% -- VVD
38% -- Christian Democrats
22% -- Christian Union
17% -- Socialist Party
8% -- Labour Party
1% -- Green Left
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:37 pm
OK I forgot that Walter's picture was up there, which is way too big and has stretched the screen. In my last post I cut my lines short to keep it readable, but thats way too much work to do with this one.

So lemme just try to get us on to the next page instead, and then I'll repost this one...
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:38 pm
Onward ever onward..
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nimh
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:39 pm
Two to go..
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:39 pm
One.. and we have lift-off?
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2007 05:43 pm
So lets try again..

--------------------------------------------------

The big news in Holland this week is the expulsion of controversial former minister of Immigration and Integration, Rita Verdonk, from the rightwing liberal party VVD, in which she had been the number two politician.

For the backstory, see:

VVD in crisis after dismissing Verdonk.

Verdonk, who acquired the nickname "Iron Rita" for her hardline immigration and asylum policies in the two previous governments, is reserving the right to stay in Parliament as independent MP and possibly establishing her own party - and polls accord her anything between 12% and 18% of the vote if she would.

Note: that would be 12-18% on top of the numbers for Geert Wilders' anti-immigrant Party. His Freedom Party would in that scenario be left with another 5-7% -- making for a cumulative 19-23% for the anti-immigrant right.

Should Verdonk not found a party of her own, the polls indicate, it is Geert Wilders who would profit from the rift in the VVD, though to a somewhat more limited extent. In that scenario, the Freedom Party jumps up in the polls to 12-15% of the vote.

Geert Wilders had himself in the meantime already been creating some of the biggest waves in his political career yet earlier this month, with an outrageous, rabblerousing performance in a parliamentary debate on islamic activism.

It was a performance that arguably would have made Pim Fortuyn look like a moderate. The article below about that debate (my translation) is long, but worth reading in full.

When reading it, keep in mind that the debate did not cost Geert Wilders' party any support in the polls, which kept showing a clear increase in its popularity. On the bright side, they also showed a vast majority of the Dutch coming out against the ban of the Quran which Wilders has proposed. See the data underneath the article.


Quote:
NRC Handelsblad
7 September 2007

Geert Wilders, King or Jester?
Leader of Freedom Party mocks the conventions of parliament for hour and a half


By Derk Stokmans Guus Valk

Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders last night effortlessly turned a debate about islamic actvism his way. The Members of Parliament were reduced to being annoyed.

It was a "fantastic" contribution, Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders reviewed himself. For one hour and thirtyeight minutes he launched a frontal attack on the islamic religion in a parliamentary debate, in which he'd really only been allotted ten minutes of speaking time.

Continually interrupted by furious MPs, Wilders constructed a contribution in which he mocked the conventions of parliament. Minister Vogelaar (Labour) was "stark raving mad". "I am not going to take it back, I will repeat it again: stark raving mad!" Parliament was full of "cowards".

Several times his voice broke, as when he rythmically listed all the things that "regular Dutchmen" are fed up with. "They have enough of halal meat at the Albert Heyn [supermarket], enough of female circumcision, enough of sharia mortgages, enough of gaybashing, enough of the overrepresentation of muslims in the crime statistics." He spent his last seconds on mocking parliamentary chair Gerdi Verbeet. She warned him that he would still have eight seconds as soon as she turned on the microphone again. Wilders: "OK, do it, then! Do it, then!"

Without ever mentioning the actual topic of the debate once, Geert Wilders thus managed to turn a parliamentary debate about a report of the Scientific Council for Governmental Policy (WRR) about islamic activism his way entirely.

Causing much annoyance with the rest of Parliament. For the nth time, other MPs sighed that once again Wilders had succesfully taken the debate hostage. With visible and audible revulsion, the Labour, Democrat 66, Green Left and to a lesser extent Socialist parties tried to fight the frontal attack of the Freedom Party leader on Islam with arguments. The Christian Democratic and [conservative liberal] VVD parties kept quiet. Wilders fended off his colleagues with a mix of ridicule, insults and the occasional evasive answer.

What Wilders did do: repeat his earlier call in parliament for a ban on the Quran, extensively criticising Islam, in his words the religion that "declared war on the West 1.400 years ago, the religion of a barbarian who called himself a prophet." The tone was set. A better present than a debate about the Islam, Wilders said, he could not have gotten for his 44th birthday.

The Freedom Party leader early on threatened a vote of no-confidence against minister Vogelaar (Integration, Labour) because she could imagine that the Netherlands in a few centuries' time could be a land of jewish-christian-muslim traditions. She had said that in an interview with [the Christian newspaper] Trouw in July. To the minister: "With that [statement], you showed that you have gone stark raving mad." Vogelaar, according to Wilders, had betrayed Dutch culture. Prime Minister Balkenende reacted with annoyance to the contribution of Wilders, but did not mention him by name. [On the contrary, he said,] "We have to do everything we can to put people closer to each other. To set people apart on the basis of religion is irreconciable with our values. It leads to polarisation and prejudice. Words, Balkenende said, can carve wounds. Ëverybody has to be aware of that. That also goes for the way in which we address each other in this debate, the way in which has been spoken about one of the ministers."

One after the other Member of Parliament interrupted Wilders. They used different words, but all had the same message. The Freedom Party leader battles against Islam because he thinks it is an intolerant religion, which does not tolerate those who think differently. But Wilders himself, his opponents argued, also shows little tolerance for those who think differently. Democrats 66 leader Pechtold: "How can the Freedom Party leader, who says he stands for the unbridled freedom of expression, possibly call for a ban on a book?" Wilders' answer: "Forbidding the Quran will strengthen he freedom of expression and religion."

Labour MP Dijsselbloem said that Wilders gives moderate muslims the same message that Osama bin Laden and other radical muslims give them, namely: Islam is irreconcilable with western values. Dijsselbloem: "The tragedy of Wilders is that he says those idiots are right. You are on the side of the extremists." The answer from Wilders: "Better than on the side of the cowards."

The MPs asked what a ban on the Quran would really yield? Socialist deputy De Wit: "Should there be a Quran police then?" Dijsselbloem wondered whether Wilders really expected that islamic youths would no longer beat up gays if the Quran were no longer be on the bookshelves back home. Green Left leader Femke Halsema expressed her annoyance at the "symbolic mockeries of a debate that lead to nothing, as imam Wilders, the only one who knows the content of the Quran, will know." Just like the parliamentary leader of the Christian Union, Arie Slob, she came to the aid of Vogelaar: "You just said that Dutch people treat each other properly. I did not find you a lighting example of that."

After the contribution of Wilders, Parliament keyed back. In their own contribution, the other parties restricted themselves to commenting on the WRR report, bar the incidental brief snarl at Wilders. A report they rejected in large majority as being too optimistic about democratic currents within Islam.

Geert Wilders did not speak up again.

Officially, Parliament yesterday was debating the government's response to the report of the WRR on "Dynamism in Islamic Activism".

In april last year, the WRR wrote in that report that the Islam is not incompatible with democracy and human rights. The Council advised the government to establish ties with democratically elected parties in the islamic world, like Hamas. In the Netherlands, according to the Council, "fear of muslims has taken hold". And muslims "experience that they are unwelcome aliens because of their religion." The WRR argued that this downward spiral needed to be broken.


NB: The WRR report on "Dynamism in Islamic Activism" is available online in English. An English-language summary is available as well.

Two days after the debate, the weekly opinion poll of Maurice de Hond's polling agency saw no change in the support for Geert Wilders' party: it remained stable at 19 seats, or a gain of 10 compared to its current number (that's about 12-13% of the vote). The rival Political Barometer had the Freedom Party stable at 8,5% and 13 seats.

Now, a week later, the news of Verdonk's expulsion from the VVD has reshuffled the cards of course, but has only increased the overall share of the far right.

The above-mentioned post-debate opinion poll of Maurice de Hond's also asked:

Quote:
"[Wilders] indicated that he wanted to forbid the Quran as book in the Netherlands. Do you agree with him?"

14% -- Yes
83% -- No

Yes votes by party vote in 2006:

65% -- Freedom Party
27% -- Christian Union
24% -- VVD [rightwing liberal]
14% -- Christian Democrats
10% -- Socialist Party
3% -- Labour Party
2% -- Green Left

He also had serious objections against comments by Minister Vogelaar about our future society. She had said that the Dutch culture will eventually get a jewish-christian-islamic tradition. Do you agree with that statement by Minister Vogelaar?

55% -- No
37% -- Yes

No votes by party vote in 2006:

96% -- Freedom Party
77% -- VVD
69% -- Christian Democrats
59% -- Christian Union
41% -- Socialist Party
34% -- Labour Party
18% -- Green Left

Wilders called minister Vogelaar "stark raving mad". Do you agree with that description?

29% -- Yes
66% -- No

Yes votes by party vote in 2006:

87% -- Freedom Party
56% -- VVD
38% -- Christian Democrats
22% -- Christian Union
17% -- Socialist Party
8% -- Labour Party
1% -- Green Left
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