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Former Foreign Minister slams Trump

 
 
vikorr
 
Reply Fri 14 Apr, 2017 02:32 am
Interesting article in the Courier Mail today. So far, Evans assessment of Trump agrees with my assessment of Trump.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/evans-slams-trump-as-the-most-illinformed-illprepared-ethicallychallenged-and-psychologically-illequipped-president-in-us-history/news-story/b7f2f1641eb17a9e92f60fb5421e1ef2<br />
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Evans slams Trump as the most ‘ill-informed, ill-prepared, ethically-challenged and psychologically ill-equipped’ president in US history

A LEADING Australian foreign policy expert has delivered a devastating assessment of US President Donald Trump’s ability to handle the growing global tensions with Russia and North Korea.

Former Foreign Affairs Minister Gareth Evans has labelled President Trump the most “ill-informed, ill-prepared, ethically-challenged and psychologically ill-equipped” president in the US history.

In an address to the National Press Club today, Professor Evans said Mr Trump was “personally driven by instinct and impulse” and “unhampered by knowledge or judgment”.

And anyone hoping that “the adults” had regained charge of US foreign policy was “making a very big gamble”.

“He has led an administration acting so far manifestly on the basis of postures and not of policies,” Prof Evans said.

“While the commentariat is beginning to find some comforting early signs that the adults are regaining charge of foreign policy in the United States, I have to say that anyone betting on this administration delivering consistent, coherent, constructive and decent outcomes over the next four years is making a very big gamble indeed.”...
 
roger
 
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Reply Fri 14 Apr, 2017 02:38 am
@vikorr,
Evans slams Trump as the most ‘ill-informed, ill-prepared, ethically-challenged and psychologically ill-equipped’ president in US history.

That's, ah, fairly explicit, isn't it?
snood
 
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Reply Fri 14 Apr, 2017 06:19 am
@roger,
Explicit and accurate. But I'm gobsmacked at the noise being made about his sabre rattling "leadership" . Why isn't it obvious that he will do ANYTHING - up to and including start war with N. Korea - to avoid the truth coming out about his Russian ties? Will I have to witness the outrage and actions against this man coming only AFTER he's instigated a cataclysmic confrontation?
camlok
 
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Reply Fri 14 Apr, 2017 11:59 am
@snood,
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Will I have to witness the outrage and actions against this man coming only AFTER he's instigated a cataclysmic confrontation?


That's how things work for the US, Snood. Surely you aren't trying to pretend that this is a one off. Notice how it's always cataclysmic for the poor defenseless nations but all you ever hear from Americans is how they suffered from their war crimes and terrorism.

This is demented, this is bonkers, daft, deranged, loony, ... and you all just keep on sailing on, pretending to believe there is something good about America.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2017 07:03 pm
@snood,
I'm just hoping there's going to be an impeachment soon.
http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-impeached-you-can-bet-on-it-bookies-odds/
http://thehill.com/opinion/letters/327279-low-approval-will-drive-trump-to-resign-before-he-is-impeached
camlok
 
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Reply Sat 15 Apr, 2017 07:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why, Cicerone? Is it because he isn't slaughtering innocents fast enough for you? Give illegal invasions a chance.

None of your presidents have ever let you down before.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2017 02:12 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
...to avoid the truth coming out about his Russian ties...

Tell me one single inappropriate thing any member of the Trump team has said to any person from Russia. Quote or paraphrase it please.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2017 02:23 pm
@camlok,
Because Trump is unfit to be president. That's proven by his appointment of family members who don't have any experience in important positions of the administration.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2017 02:33 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

snood wrote:
...to avoid the truth coming out about his Russian ties...

Tell me one single inappropriate thing any member of the Trump team has said to any person from Russia. Quote or paraphrase it please.

Trump told all of Russia, with the implication being their governmental hackers,
"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2017 05:35 pm
Oh sure, he says that now.

If he'd spoken up in October, maybe he could have swung the election !

I mean Kasich and McCain not voting for Trump didn't matter, but the former foreign minister from Australia might just have tipped the scales.
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 16 Apr, 2017 06:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He's lining up to slaughter lots of Koreans. How could you guys ask for anything more from one of your presidents? It's always kept you content in the past.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2017 06:59 am
@InfraBlue,
Context is fun

Quote:
TRUMP: I have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I know nothing about him other than he will respect me. He doesn't respect our president. If it is Russia, which it probably is not, nobody knows who it is.

But if it is Russia, it's really bad for a different reason. Because it shows how little respect they have for our country when they would hack into a major party and get everything. But it would be interesting to see -- I will tell you this, Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens. That will be next./quote]

Both sides do it, especially in a campaign. One sound bite can sometimes make or break a campaign. Remember the "YARGH!" heard round the world? This slid right off Trump like he was made of the new copper coating crap. Maybe that is why he is orange.
vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2017 11:05 pm
@Kolyo,
Well prior to Trump's election I said to colleagues 'the only way he will win is if American politicians have completely failed their constituents'. Who would have thought the political situation in the country was so bad that Trump would win?

Mind you, here in Australia, there is also a lot of discontent with our politicians. Many minor political parties have sprung up holding views well removed from the norm of past decades.

The problem here in Australia is that the political parties:
- no longer know how to handle criticism
- are fearful of negative publicity (which differs from the above in response terms)
- have become more and more secretive
- have increasingly become about spin, without a substantial position on many things
- often avoid discussions that are important to many people
- have moved a long way away from the balance of people/business...towards more and more being about business, rather than people

That may only be scratching the surface of the problems, with the reality being many people believe they no longer represent their constituents, but rather, just themselves.

I'm guessing that feeling is stronger in the US.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2017 11:33 am
@vikorr,
Trump is a pathological liar and con. The American people voted for this con who appointed family members and Wall Street to represent his kingship.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.adn.com/opinions/national-opinions/2017/01/20/trump-packs-cabinet-with-wolves-of-wall-street/%3FoutputType%3Damp-type
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2017 03:03 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

snood wrote:
...to avoid the truth coming out about his Russian ties...

Tell me one single inappropriate thing any member of the Trump team has said to any person from Russia. Quote or paraphrase it please.

Trump told all of Russia, with the implication being their governmental hackers,
"Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

A joking statement made in public and in front of cameras. This is not the kind of secret collusion being alleged by Trump's enemies. Try again.
old europe
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2017 01:18 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:
This is not the kind of secret collusion being alleged by Trump's enemies.


You got an answer to the question you asked.

Changing the question after it has been answered seems a little bit dishonest, doesn't it?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2017 02:05 pm
@McGentrix,
So, it was appropriate?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2017 02:30 pm
@InfraBlue,
Besides the 30,000 emails, Trump pushed the Obama birther bs for 5 years. He's a mental case.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2017 03:23 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
This is not the kind of secret collusion being alleged by Trump's enemies.


You got an answer to the question you asked.

Changing the question after it has been answered seems a little bit dishonest, doesn't it?

No. I'm saying it isn't an example of what I asked for. I asked for something improper that a member of the Trump team said to a Russian. A joke told to a crowd in America during a speech doesn't qualify. A joke may be in poor taste, but it isn't improper in the sense of saying to a Russian in person or on the phone, "Here is a blueprint of the election boxes used in California and Oregon. Hopefully, your scientists can find a weakness."

I asked for something improper that a member of the Trump team said to a Russian and I was given an example of a joke which Trump said to a crowd in America. That doesn't qualify. Interestingly, no one here has been able to give me a single example of any improper communication between the Trump team and a Russian. I am still waiting for an example.
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