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Ratzenhofer's analysis of the election.

 
 
Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 08:16 am
Karl Rove orchestrated a brilliant plan by preying on the weak-minded and the ultra-religious. He knew he could play the terror card and get a substantial amount of votes that way, but he sensed it would still be too close so he threw in the homosexual card. The mindless, gutless voters now had two things to fear -- the terrorists and the homosexual. It was too much. They raced to the polls and with trembling hands voted for Bush.

Rove is already working on his plan for the next election. As Dubya prepares to exit the office and turn the reins over to his brother, he'll call a press conference. It will sound like this...

My fellow Americans, we are in grave danger. Our satellite photos have picked up images of legions of homosexual terrorists with dynamite strapped to their chests, assembling on the Syrian border. They are strapping on motorized hangliders and preparing for an American invasion. Soon our skies will be darkened by hundreds of thousands of these apocalyptic vultures. At all costs we must keep America safe. Vote Republican. It is our only hope.


And thousands of dim-witted, god-fearing voters will scramble, once again to the booths and cast their vote to save America. Then they'll return to their jobs at Home Depot and Burger King and carry on their assigned duties with a smile on their faces. Their patriotic duty has been done.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 08:19 am
Gus, I'd laugh at your post but the tears keep getting in the way.
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paulaj
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 08:54 am
Gustafeelingmorose

Four years will fly by. There are worse thing's that could happen, look at PAN, he's a Black Hole!
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 08:56 am
sigh.
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colorbook
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 09:58 am
Crying or Very sad
I have a fifth Bushmills Irish Whiskey…I can pass the bottle around so we can drown our sorrows.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:00 am
colorbook wrote:
Crying or Very sad
I have a fifth Bushmills Irish Whiskey…I can pass the bottle around so we can drown our sorrows.


I brought my own glass. Give me a double.
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Eva
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:18 am
Just wipe off the rim and hand the bottle over here....
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:30 am
Gus
I love you Gus.

51% of US voters failed their IQ test.

The stock market soared with Military Industry Contractors and the Pharmacutical and Insurance Companies leading the way followed by companies out-sourcing jobs and evading taxes via loopholes.

The Supreme Court will be damaged for decades.

The number of people without health insurance will grow.

Our military in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue to die along with Iraqi civilians.

Osama bin Laden will achieve his goal of bankrupting the US economy as the deficit soars.

My shame for 51% of my countrymen is more acute than ever.

I think we need a new Peace Corps with cadres of people working in the US South and Heartland, to open their minds to what is best for the country; that perceived "morality" does not necessarily make good government and that they are being manipulated to further the interests of corporate America against their own.

BBB weeps!

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/munch/munch.scream.jpg
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:34 am
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Our military in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue to die along with Iraqi civilians.


Probably in Iran,too.

I think Bush is now more confident and despite the situation in Iraq he will order to attack Iran. But this can be harder and a new middle east war is there.

A theory which is not unlikely.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:41 am
Wallow In Chaos, And Laugh
MARK MORFORD'S NOTES & ERRATA
SFGate.com - November 3, 2004
Wallow In Chaos, And Laugh
(By Mark Morford)

A Bush-leaning outcome and one enormous bitter pill and you without your vodka

Oh dear god please not again.

Oh dear God please don't let it be all convoluted and depressing and messy and stupid and please don't let it all embarrass us on an international level all over again even more than it already has andeven more than it already is and even more than we've endured lo thesepast four debilitating and soul-crushing years. Hello? Please? Is italready too late?

Why yes, yes it is.

And lo and behold, it's apparently another completely tortuous and entirely knotted presidential election, still not finished and still not all ironed out and as of this writing Ohio is headed for a recount and Kerry still has a glimpse of a chance, and hence we still don't really know the outcome, even though it appears to be leaning toward the utterly appalling notion of another four years of Bush and another Republican stranglehold of Congress and repeated GOP chants of "More War in '04!"

Which is, well, simply staggering. Mind-blowing. Odd. Gut-wrenching. Colon-knotting. Eyeball-gouging. And so on.

You want to block it out. You want to rend your flesh and yank your hair and say no way in hell and lean out your window and scream into the Void and pray it will all be over soon, even though you know you're an atheist Buddhist Taoist Rosicrucian Zen Orgasmican and you don't normally pray to anything except maybe the gods of really exceptional sake and skin-tingling sex and maybe a few luminous transcendental deities that look remarkably like Jenna Jameson.

It simply boggles the mind: We've already had four years of some of the most appalling and abusive foreign and domestic policy in American history, some of the most well-documented atrocities ever wrought on the American populace and it's all combined with the biggest and most violently botched and grossly mismanaged war since Vietnam, and still much of the nation still insists in living in a giant vat of utter blind faith, still insists on believing the man in the White House couldn't possibly be treating them like a dog treats a fire hydrant.

Inexplicable? Not really. People want to believe. They want to trust their leaders, even against all screaming, neon-lit evidence and stack upon stack of flagrant, impeachment-grade lie. They simply cannot allow that Dubya might really be an utter boob and that they are being treated like an abused, beaten housewife who keeps coming back for more, insisting her drunk husband didn't mean it, that she probably had it coming, that the cuts and bruises and blood and broken bones are all for her own good.

And this election, it might be all be very amusing, in a Mel Gibsony, blood-drenched hamburger-of-Christ sorta way, were it not so sad and dangerous. It might all be tolerable and cute, in a violence-engorged, sexist, video-gamey sorta way, were it not so lopsided and wrong.

This election's apparent outcome, this heartbreaking proof of a nation split more deeply and decisively than ever, it simply reinforces the feeling among much of the educated populace: It is a weirdly embarrassing time to be an American. It is jarring and oddly shattering and makes you rethink what it really means to be a part of this country. The answer: It doesn't mean much at all. Not really. Not anymore.

This is the common wisdom on the progressive Left. Those first four toxic Bush years? A fluke. A phantasm. A stolen election. A gaffe, a mugging, a crime. But this? An election this close makes you reconsider. Maybe, after all, we aren't nearly as far along as we think. Maybe we're not all that sophisticated or nuanced or respectable a nation as we sometimes dare to dream.

Maybe, in fact, we're regressing, back to the days of guns and sexism and pre-emptive violence, of environmental abuse and no rights for women and an sincere hatred of gays and foreigners and minorities. Sound familiar? It should: It's the modern GOP platform.

Here's the thing: For tens of millions of us, it is simply unconscionable that we could possibly be led for another four years by a small and spoiled little man who has very little real idea what he's doing and even less of how the hell he got there. It would be funny, in a Adam Sandler, toilet-humored sort of way, were it not so poisonous and depressing. And yet it looks like we're stuck with it, like a shard of glass buried deep in the eye.

And the rest of the world? Well, it can only watch us and shake its collective head and wonder just what the hell is wrong with us, why so many millions of us would even consider re-electing the world's most inept and war-hungry and insanely inarticulate man to four more years of unchecked power, why our much-hyped much-coveted supposedly ultra-superior democratic system is so very deeply blotchy and knotty and spoiled.

So then, to much of Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, Russia, the Middle East -- to all those dozens of major world nations who want Bush out almost as much as the educated people of America, to you we can only say: We are so very, very sorry. We don't know how it happened, either. For tens of millions of us, Bush is not our president and never will be. That's how divisive. That's how dangerous. That's how very sad it has become.

And all signs point to the fact that the GOP steamroller appears to be just too powerful, just too well-oiled and blood soaked and fear inducing to be stopped just yet. After all, the Right has been working on this master plan and building their takeover strategy for about forty years. It's gonna take those of us working for change and progress and raw spiritual juice a little more than one or two to dissolve it away like the cancer it so obviously is.

Apparently, there are lessons yet to be learned. Apparently we must hit some sort of new low between now and 2008, attain some sort of seriously vicious status in the world before we will snap out of it. You think?

This much is clear: We are not, should Bush finally be declared the victor, headed for buoyancy and friendship and sincere hope for something new and refreshing. We are not, with another four years of what we just endured, headed toward any sort of easing of bitter tension, a sense of levity, or sexual openness, or true education, or gender respect, or a lightness of spirit and of step.

Maybe the best we can hope for, at this ominous and slightly sickening moment, is one hell of a lot more patience.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:47 am
Presidential Race
President: George Bush (Republican)

Senate split
Republicans: 55
Democrats: 44
Independent: 1

House Split
Republicans: 232
Democrats: 202

If you find yourself wailing and moaning "How could he have won? The Republicans don't represent 'The People' " I ask you to step back and take an objective look at your views and ask if it may be YOU who is 'out of touch' with the true feelings of 'The People'.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:47 am
Thok wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Our military in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue to die along with Iraqi civilians.


Probably in Iran,too.

I think Bush is now more confident and despite the situation in Iraq he will order to attack Iran. But this can be harder and a new middle east war is there.

A theory which is not unlikely.


Perhaps Iran will come to its senses and toe the line, now that it knows Bush won.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:49 am
http://www.nojohnkerry.org/imagemedia/crybaby.jpg
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:55 am
Ticomaya wrote:

Perhaps Iran will come to its senses and toe the line, now that it knows Bush won.


Presently not.
The "parliament" passes a bill for resume the enrichment and now they are demonstrate and burn US-flags.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:57 am
Just where do they get the U.S. flags anyway? Is there a U.S. flag factory in Iran?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 10:58 am
Thok wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:

Perhaps Iran will come to its senses and toe the line, now that it knows Bush won.


Presently not.
The "parliament" passes a bill for resume the enrichment and now they are demonstrate and burn US-flags.


Hmmm. Let's bomb the piss out of them, then.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 11:10 am
Why you keep losing to this idiot
Simple but Effective
Why you keep losing to this idiot.
By William Saletan
Updated Wednesday, Nov. 3, 2004, at 12:05 AM PT

12:01 a.m. PT: Sigh. I really didn't want to have to write this.

George W. Bush is going to win re-election. Yeah, the lawyers will haggle about Ohio. But this time, Democrats don't have the popular vote on their side. Bush does.

If you're a Bush supporter, this is no surprise. You love him, so why shouldn't everybody else?

But if you're dissatisfied with Bush?-or if, like me, you think he's been the worst president in memory?-you have a lot of explaining to do. Why don't a majority of voters agree with us? How has Bush pulled it off?

I think this is the answer: Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.

Bush is a very simple man. You may think that makes him a bad president, as I do, but lots of people don't?-and there are more of them than there are of us. If you don't believe me, take a look at those numbers on your TV screen.

Think about the simplicity of everything Bush says and does. He gives the same speech every time. His sentences are short and clear. "Government must do a few things and do them well," he says. True to his word, he has spent his political capital on a few big ideas: tax cuts, terrorism, Iraq. Even his electoral strategy tonight was powerfully simple: Win Florida, win Ohio, and nothing else matters. All those lesser states?-Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Hampshire?-don't matter if Bush reels in the big ones.

This is what so many people like about Bush's approach to terrorism. They forgive his marginal and not-so-marginal screw-ups, because they can see that fundamentally, he "gets it." They forgive his mismanagement of Iraq, because they see that his heart and will are in the right place. And while they may be unhappy about their economic circumstances, they don't hold that against him. What you and I see as unreflectiveness, they see as transparency. They trust him.

Now look at your candidate, John Kerry. What quality has he most lacked? Not courage?-he proved that in Vietnam. Not will?-he proved that in Iowa. Not brains?-he proved that in the debates. What Kerry lacked was simplicity. Bush had one message; Kerry had dozens. Bush had one issue; Kerry had scores. Bush ended his sentences when you expected him to say more; Kerry went on and on, adding one prepositional phrase after another, until nobody could remember what he was talking about. Now Bush has two big states that mean everything, and Kerry has a bunch of little ones that add up to nothing.

If you're a Democrat, here's my advice. Do what the Republicans did in 1998. Get simple. Find a compelling salesman and get him ready to run for president in 2008. Put aside your quibbles about preparation, stature, expertise, nuance, and all that other hyper-sophisticated garbage that caused you to nominate Kerry. You already have legions of people with preparation, stature, expertise, and nuance ready to staff the executive branch of the federal government. You don't need one of them to be president. You just need somebody to win the White House and appoint them to his administration. And that will require all the simplicity, salesmanship, and easygoing humanity they don't have.

The good news is, that person is already available. His name is John Edwards. If you have any doubt about his electability, just read the exit polls from the 2004 Democratic primaries. If you don't think he's ready to be president?-if you don't think he has the right credentials, the right gravitas, the right subtlety of thought?-ask yourself whether these are the same things you find wanting in George W. Bush. Because evidently a majority of the voting population of the United States doesn't share your concern. They seem to be attracted to a candidate with a simple message, a clear focus, and a human touch. You might want to consider their views, since they're the ones who will decide whether you're sitting here again four years from now, wondering what went wrong.


In 1998 and 1999, Republicans cleared the field for George W. Bush. Members of Congress and other major officeholders threw their weight behind him to make sure he got the nomination. They united because their previous presidential nominee, a clumsy veteran senator, had gone down to defeat. They were facing eight years out of power, and they were hungry.

Do what they did. Give Edwards a job that will position him to run for president again in a couple of years. Clear the field of Hillary Clinton and any other well-meaning liberal who can't connect with people outside those islands of blue on your electoral map. Because you're going to get a simple president again next time, whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that president will be from your party or the other one.

9:33 p.m. PT: That proviso about the exit polls matching the returns is looking quite a bit more important now than it did three hours ago. Bush has Florida and Colorado in the bag. All scenarios for a Kerry victory now require Ohio.

Kerry led 51-49 in the Ohio exit poll this afternoon. But he also led 51-49 in the Florida exit poll, and we've seen what happened there. Nationwide, the exit polls had Kerry up 51-48. But with 80 million votes counted already, it's Bush who has a 51-48 lead. So at this point, the exit polls are at best meaningless. Or worse, if you're a Democrat, the six-point gap between what the exit polls predicted for Kerry nationally and what the returns show so far means that in Ohio, a two-point lead for Kerry in the exit poll foreshadows a Bush win by as many as four points.

In New Mexico, two-thirds of the precincts have reported, and it doesn't look good for Kerry: He's down 51-48. So even if he takes Iowa, where he's now leading with two-thirds of the vote tallied, he'll have to win either Nevada, which has just begun counting, or Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, he's hanging on to a 14,000-vote lead?-that's a single percentage point?-with half the precincts reporting. If Kerry holds that lead in Wisconsin and closes what is now a 120,000-vote Bush lead in Ohio, he's the next president. Or if he holds his lead in Iowa and picks off Nevada, he can get the same result?-but not without Ohio.

Three-quarters of the precincts in Ohio have now reported, and Kerry still trails by 126,000 votes, about 3 percent of the total. I don't think he can pull it off. But I've been wrong so many times now that I'd be happy?-no, really, in this case I would be positively delighted?-to be proved wrong again.

7:38 p.m. PT: I should have mentioned before that if Bush wins both Ohio and Florida, he needs only Colorado to get to 269. So that's just two states where he needs the exit polls to be off. But in both cases the error has to be at least two points, in each case it has to be in his direction, and the Colorado exit poll can't be off in the other direction.

Let's simplify the calculations. Bush starts with a floor of 213. He leads by one point in the exit poll in Colorado, so let's assume he takes that state, putting him at 222.

Here are the remaining states in which Bush trails in the exit polls by fewer than 6 points: Nevada (Bush down 1), Iowa (Bush down 1), Florida (Bush down 2), Ohio (Bush down 2), New Mexico (Bush down 2), and Wisconsin (Bush down 3).

That's it. Those are all the states Bush has to work with.

If he wins them all, he gets to 296. So Kerry can lock up the election by taking any 28 electoral votes from that group. Here are the combinations that will do the job for Kerry:

1) Florida and any other state.

2) Ohio and Wisconsin.

3) Ohio and any two of the little three: Nevada, New Mexico, and Iowa.

Two other variables could be in play. If Kerry takes Colorado, he can wrap up the election by taking a combination of Wisconsin and two of the little three. He won't have to win Ohio or Florida. But if Bush stages an upset in Hawaii, Kerry will have to take one of the little three in addition to Ohio and Wisconsin?-or he'll have to take Ohio, Iowa, and either Nevada or New Mexico.

Those are the scenarios for now. I'll revisit them as the returns come in and the options narrow.

6:08 p.m. PT: We can't be sure how far tonight's returns will ultimately vary from the late-afternoon exit-poll numbers (see this "Press Box"). But with that understood, let's talk about what the numbers mean, if true, for the electoral map.

Bush gets to 189 electoral votes with no problem. Assuming he takes Virginia, he's at 202. With Missouri, where he's 5 points up in the exit polls, he's at 213. Now he needs Colorado. I never took this state seriously as a problem for him, but the afternoon numbers suggest it might be: He's up just a point there. Let's assume he takes it. Now he's at 222.

At this point, he has run out of states where he's leading in the exit polls, and he's still looking for a combination of 47 electoral votes to get him to 269. (He wins in the House if it's a tie.) The next best shots are Nevada and Iowa, where he's down a point. Let's say he takes them, too. Now he's at 234, still 35 electoral votes away?-and he has run out of states where he's trailing by a single point. He'll have to start winning in places where he's trailing by two.

How about New Mexico? Let's give him that. Now he's at 239, but that's still not enough to win the election even if Florida comes around. He'll have to capture the other state where he's down two in the exit polls: Ohio. It seems a bit unfair, making him win a state with 20 electoral votes just to get the three he needs for a tie. Wouldn't it be easier to package Florida or Ohio with Wisconsin? Either combination gets him to 269 or beyond, so let's try that. Colorado plus Nevada plus Iowa plus New Mexico plus Wisconsin plus either Ohio or Florida.

For those of you doing the math at home, that's a Bush sweep of five states where the exit polls have him trailing, without losing a single state in which he leads. In three of those states, Bush's winning scenario requires the exit polls to be at least two points off. In Wisconsin, it requires the exit polls to be at least three points off.

And it gets uglier from there. Because if even one of these breaks doesn't go Bush's way, there is no remaining state on the board in which he trails by less than six in the exit polls. Bush can win this thing, but he'll need a lot of luck. More than he'll get, if you ask me.
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William Saletan is Slate's chief political correspondent and author of Bearing Right: How Conservatives Won the Abortion War.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 11:17 am
I heard this morning that quite a few voters didn't even know that Bush was running against a guy named Kerry, and couldn't name either running mate for the two hopefuls.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 11:18 am
You can thank P-Diddie and Bruce Springsteen for that, Cav.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 3 Nov, 2004 11:22 am
Well, to be fair, despite my opinions on Bush, both Paris Hilton and 50 Cent, among other celebrities involved with P-Diddie's 'Vote or Die' campaign didn't even bother to register, or vote. Yet, people are surprised that the youth didn't turn out in large numbers to support Kerry.
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