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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:02 pm
I'd started a new thread, not watching this one, but finding the topic very interesting.

Since there's no need of my my new thread, I just post my copied-pasted reports here as well.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:02 pm
Quote:
Angry US slams bribe denials

Caroline Overington and Geoff Elliott
02feb06

THE chairman of a powerful US Senate committee is demanding Australian ambassador to Washington Dennis Richardson explain the Howard Government's role in the Iraqi wheat affair, saying he is "deeply troubled" by an apparent attempt to cover up the scandal.

Republican senator Norm Coleman, who is chairing the Senate's inquiry into "illegal, under-the-table" payments to Saddam Hussein's regime, also wrote to former Washington ambassador Michael Thawley, criticising him for making "emphatic denials" about AWB's role.
In a letter to Mr Richardson dated January 31, Senator Coleman said he wanted to discuss Mr Thawley's disturbing behaviour during a meeting in Washington in October 2004, where the then ambassador "unequivocally dismissed" claims AWB was involved in making illicit payments to the Saddam government.

Senator Coleman said evidence presented to the Cole inquiry in Sydney suggested that, on the contrary, officials of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade may have been "aware of and complicit in the payments of the illegal kickbacks".

Mr Thawley, a former senior adviser to John Howard, used the meeting to argue for AWB to be left out of an investigation into allegations of kickbacks under the UN's oil-for-food program.

The revelation has reignited calls for the Cole inquiry's terms of reference to be widened to include the role of government officials in the scandal. AWB is accused of paying almost $300million to Saddam, and hiding the payments from the UN.

In his letter, Senator Coleman claimed Mr Thawley insisted at the October 2004 meeting that AWB would never be involved in kickbacks. He wrote this week that the revelations in the Cole inquiry were "extremely disconcerting in light of the fact that you came to my office and expressly denied these allegations".

Senator Coleman asked Mr Richardson, who was appointed ambassador to Washington in July last year, and Mr Thawley to contact his committee to explain why the Australian Government had tried to block an investigation into the kickbacks.

He asked Mr Richardson for "an opportunity to discuss this matter" and urged him to contact the staff of the subcommittee.

Neither the Prime Minister nor Foreign Minister Alexander Downer would say whether Mr Richardson would make himself available. Mr Thawley, who is now a private citizen in the US, would not comment.

Senator Coleman's concerns were echoed in a January 30 letter from seven powerful US senators to Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns, in which they demanded AWB be suspended from an export credit program.

The senators claimed there was evidence that "senior Australian government officials may have agreed to, or at least had advanced knowledge" of AWB's kickbacks to Saddam's regime.

The seven members of the Senate's agriculture committee also questioned the independence of the Cole inquiry.

"Given the evidence that some Australian government officials may have agreed to, or had knowledge in advance of the illicit payments, is the Cole inquiry sufficiently independent of the current Government of Australia to be entrusted to investigate the matter?" the letter says.

In London, Mr Downer told reporters that he was prepared to give testimony to the Cole inquiry in order to "get to the bottom of what was going on". "I think anybody should be happy to appear," Mr Downer said. "I'm absolutely relaxed about it."

Mr Downer said the Government had established the Cole inquiry after reading the UN's Volker report into corruption, which "was pretty damning".

However, he added that "common sense" supported the proposition that the Prime Minister, ministers and DFAT officials "were not involved in criminal activity, in breaking Australian law and sanctions-busting and approving kickbacks".

Last week, inquiry head Terrence Cole said he was considering recommending many criminal charges after hearing two weeks of evidence from AWB officials.

Treasurer Peter Costello told ABC radio in Melbourne yesterday that Mr Cole had "full powers of a royal commissioner" and would be "calling everybody who is relevant" including government employees.

Mr Costello said Mr Cole was also free to ask the Government to expand the inquiry, adding: "I am sure of one thing: if he makes a request of the Government it will be very carefully considered.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:02 pm
From The Australian, February 2, print version:

Frontpage, additional to above quoted online report:

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/4637/clipboard32ky.jpg

page 2:
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Despite drama, AWB asks Vaile for help
Caroline Overington
AUSTRALIAN wheat exporter AWB last week asked the Howard Government for help to gain new wheat contracts with Iraq, despite the flood of damning evidence coming out of the Cole inquiry.


The Australian understands that AWB executives approached the office of Trade Minister Mark Vaile hoping the Government could help it win a new tender to supply one million tonnes of wheat to Iraq.


The wheat exporter asked if Australia's ambassador to Iraq, Howard Brown, would approach the Iraqi Grains Board and explain that AWB was still the only company permitted to export Australian wheat.


AWB said it needed the Government's help because its reputation as an honest supplier had been shredded by evidence given to the federal Government's Cole inquiry into corruption in the UN oil-for-food program. The inquiry has heard that AWB executives deliberately deceived the UN by inflating the price of its contracts under the program, and kicking the extra money back to Saddam Hussein's regime.


AWB is believed to have told Mr Vaile's office that Iraq had not bought Australian wheat for months and it could not afford to lose such a big customer, which represented more than 10 per cent of sales.


AWB is believed to have offered wheat at a relatively low price, compared with the contracts it signed under the oil-forfood program, in the hope of gaining an advantage over US and Canadian wheat farmers, who also want to win the tender.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 07:13 pm
what will be the end result of this enquiry?

the real end result will be the damage done to Aussie wheat farmers.
Yes there will be fallout for pollies fat cats and quasi-government department officials, but these people will just pack up and move on to other cushy jobs.

What will the farmers do when the price of his grain falls to below production cost? or wont sell at all hmm, a bit more belt tightening? leave his $150,000 dollar header rusting in the shed. and go on the dole?

Did you know farmers wives are ineligable for unemployment benifits. regardless of family income?

Did you know that irrigation farmers have to pay for their water allocation whether they recieve it or not?

Screw the diplomats and fat cats, the aussie Wheat farmers living at Henty and Horsham and other little towns carry this countryon their backs every day.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 09:56 pm
According to the WTO trade figures @ http://stat.wto.org/CountryProfile/WSDBCountryPFView.aspx?Language=E&Country=AU

Agricultural products account for around 22% of the value of Australia's exports - by my calculations farmers are providing only one leg of the sheep's back we're riding on.

I guess I can understand Dad's emotional outburst - I have almost no doubt he is one of those high country cattle farmers pissed off about the closure of the national parks to them - or at least he's got mates in that situation.

However, condoning corruption because 'at least it's good old aussie corruption' does not smack of the moral high ground dad has jumped to on at least one other occasion (eg hanging drug smugglers).

The USA and their agriculture policies are guilty of far greater evils than pushing our govt for explanations on this issue. Maybe that's another thread?

Dad is right though - the wheat farmers look to be at the pointy end of this one.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 11:11 pm
Hinge, walter, msolga et al I am not condoning corruption although I understand how you would draw that conclusion from my posts. I'm not saying dont have an inquiry.

what i am saying is dont let American wheat interests drive the/any enquiry. This is just playing into their hand on their playing field in a game that they are really really good at.

What i am saying is the only people who this enquiry will really hurt long term is the battler. (Aint it always the case)

The single desk market works for Australias interests.

Multiple desk marketing (a possible outcome of the inquiry) will enhance opportunities for overseas interests to take advantage of the increased competition. Increased competive environments will (probably) drive down farm gate prices. Increased competetive environments have never led to higher farm gate or lower retail prices (refer milk pricing) I cant quote stastics but I know cause I live it.

What I am saying is a sheep with 3 legs will fall over............ or become a victim of an opportunistc predator.

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The inquiry was set up at the request of the United Nations after AWB was named as one of the worst examples of a company paying kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime under the UN's discredited oil-for-food program.


Who else rorted the system? Why was the oil for food program discredited?
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 12:51 am
Yes, yes, dadpad, I understand what you're saying: the little bloke is losing out on all of this! BUT there are far bigger issues involved here (sorry!) ... like the integrity of our government. .... Which effects everyone.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 06:59 am
Whoa!!!


What a surprise...not:

"Labor to grill Downer on E Timor report
The Federal Opposition says it will question Foreign Minister Alexander Downer in Parliament about whether he lobbied Jakarta to delay East Timor's independence vote six years ago.

A report to the United Nations has found Australia actively lobbied to delay East Timor's independence ballot in 1999 and prevent its separation from Indonesia.

The 2,500-page report accuses Australia of violating its duties under international law.

East Timor's Truth and Reconciliation Commission has spent three years collecting evidence about Indonesia's 25-year occupation of East Timor.

Its report, which has been obtained by the ABC, says Australia wanted East Timor to remain part of Indonesia.

The report found that when former president BJ Habibie was about to offer the East Timorese a choice between remaining part of Indonesia and independence, Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer made it clear it would be preferable if Timor remained legally part of Indonesia and actively lobbied the government in Jakarta to delay the independence vote.

Labor's spokesman for foreign affairs, Kevin Rudd, says the revelations are remarkable given Mr Downer's public crusade for East Timor's independence.

"We'll ask questions," Mr Rudd said.

"If he sought to delay East Timor's independence and instead to postpone the independence ballot and in the meantime have East Timor retained for some indefinite period of time as part of the Indonesian republic, I think the Australian people would want to know that."

Proud

Federal Treasurer Peter Costello says Australia can be proud of its role in East Timor's struggle for independence.

Mr Costello says Australia has made a significant contribution to East Timor's independence.

"I don't know what's in this report but I know one thing - if it hadn't have been for the Australian Government committing troops to East Timor and securing the situation, we wouldn't have an independent nation of East Timor today and again Australia can hold its head high," he said.

Almost 80 per cent of East Timorese voted for independence from Indonesia in August 1999.

The report says Australia's actions were in violation of its duties under international law to support and refrain from undermining the East Timorese people's right to self-determination.

The commission says Australian policy after the 1975 invasion by Indonesia was influenced by a desire to negotiate a favourable outcome on the maritime boundary in the Timor Sea.

Mr Downer says the Government has not received a copy of East Timor's Truth and Reconciliation Commission report.

A spokesman for the Minister says the Government's position on the issue was clearly articulated at the time and Australia supported reconciliation and an act of self-determination for the East Timorese.

The spokesman says the timing of the independence vote was always going to be negotiated between Dili and Jakarta."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1561085.htm





Hopefully the governments' (several of them) dastardly behaviour over east Timor is beginning to come out.



That page has links to video and radio reports.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 07:53 am
I hate politics. I dont know why I bother commenting Rolling Eyes I dont care about who did what to whom and why at the big end of town and/or what particular brand of scullduggery they follow (lab or lib or any of the other mobs either).
they are all as bad as each other.


I am still interested in hearing alternative comments. I will always be interested to hear alternative comments to my own thoughts.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 03:14 pm
You're wrong.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 08:46 pm
dlowan wrote:
You're wrong.


It wouldnt be the first time thats happened.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 06:19 pm
dlowan wrote:
Whoa!!!


What a surprise...not:

"Labor to grill Downer on E Timor report
The Federal Opposition says it will question Foreign Minister Alexander Downer in Parliament about whether he lobbied Jakarta to delay East Timor's independence vote six years ago.

A report to the United Nations has found Australia actively lobbied to delay East Timor's independence ballot in 1999 and prevent its separation from Indonesia.

The 2,500-page report accuses Australia of violating its duties under international law.

East Timor's Truth and Reconciliation Commission has spent three years collecting evidence about Indonesia's 25-year occupation of East Timor.

Its report, which has been obtained by the ABC, says Australia wanted East Timor to remain part of Indonesia. ...


That is quite incredible, Deb.
Quite takes my breath away! How DARE Downer do such a thing!
I can only deduce that Australia, at the time, was supporting the established powers in Indonesia. If I recall correctly, Habibe was in all sorts of internal political strife in Indoneasia at the time & was well & truly on the skids. I wish I could find more information on this. I'm outraged that such a thing should be done in the name of the Australian government & people. Shame!
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 07:27 pm
.. but back to Wheatergate:

Dadpad, I have absolutely no doubt that you're correct in your assertion that the US wheat interests are looking after their own market opportunites in reviving their "concerns" about corrupt AWB dealings in Iraq. I have no doubt that they, given the opportunity, would have done exactly the same. You're right there. Corruption was name of the game when negotiating contracts with Iraq back them. My guess is that business is still done that way, now.

But as much as I share your concern about Australian wheat farmers getting a very raw deal in all of this, to me there are far more important concerns:

Our government had a responsibility to the UN to oversee our country's participation in the oil-for-food scheme. (Yes, I know that oil-for-food has been rorted by business interests of other countries, but my concern is about what my country has done. $300 million was by far the biggest, single rort of the scheme.)

What infuriates me is that during roughly the same period all of the following was happening:

- Our government rejected the findings of the UN weapons inspectors that no WMD were found in Iraq. Instead, we chose to follow the US & invade Iraq for absolutely no justifiable reason. So Australian troops would soon be risking their lives Iraq, while the AWB was doing its deals with Saddam. Supplying the funds for resistance to the invasion.

- Iraqi refugees who arrived in Australia (fleeing persecution by Saddam's regime) were treated like criminals by our government & many spent years in "detention centres" (concentration camps?). This is the same government which felt that Saddam was so evil that Iraq warranted an invasion by outside forces.

- $300 million of UN oil-for-food money, which was intended to assist desperate Iraqi civilians was squandered by the AWB, say nothing of the millions of dollars by other "business interests" in other countries. Funny how no one talks of the victims of the rorting in our media. The folk who copped it from both their own government & the parasitical business interest from other countries. They were the real victims in all of this.

I find it impossible to believe that the Australian government knew nothing of the deals that the AWB was involved in. The AWB worked closely with the Department of Foreign Affairs & was required to keep them informed. It appears that no-one important in the government ever personally saw any memo, had any conversation, or read any report from the AWB! If this is true then the Australian government is run by ignorant incompetents. (Who never knew about anything, from "children overboard", the actual conditions in the detention centres, wrongful deportation of people from Australia, etc, etc .... Surely the defence of ignorance can't possibly be accepted AGAIN! The Australian government is either brazenly lying or else is completely incompetent.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 08:59 pm
http://www.jubileeiraq.org/blog/2005_02.html

February 24, 2005
Austalian debt inquiry ends

An Australian parliamentary inquiry into debt claims by wheat growers on Iraq has wound up in Canberra. A Senate committee is exploring whether farmers should be compensated for being left out of pocket when the government decided to participate in the Paris Club deal last November. The inquiry was told that wheat exporter AWB Limited will be paid around US$42m by Iraq over 23yrs, but payments won't begin until 2011. AWB said the government had met its commercial and legal obligations in the matter, but dodged the question of a moral obligation to farmers.

But the West Australian Farmers' Federation (WAFF) has argued that Iraq did not fail to make payments by choice or through any economic failure. "The government should accept that Iraq did not intentionally default on its debt to Australia. Sanctions were imposed by the United Nations with Iraqi assets frozen and economic relations severed with western countries including Australia. The consequences of the non-payment should therefore be accepted as a national responsibility and funded accordingly." The WAFF wants the government to settle the debt due to growers in the 2005-06 financial year.

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http://www.hanggalloway.co.uk/Oil~2Dfor~2Dfood/page3.html
(selected portions of text)
In all, about half the 4,500 companies that bought oil or supplied humanitarian goods under the UN scheme are suspected of having paid illegal kickbacks to the Saddam Hussein government. But only one oil company and 26 humanitarian suppliers actually admitted doing so.

It was it this point that Iqbal Riza - Kofi Annans cheif of staff - began shredding Oil-for-Food related documents.

Riza has claimed the shredded files were duplicates. But a report by the Volcker committee said in March they included documents related to the oil-for-food program that were unavailable in the U.N. records file.

Riza retired as Annan's chief-of-staff at the end of 2004 and then became a personal adviser to Kofi instead. Nice work if you can get it.
Programme Director

Despite their obvious leanings, Volkers committee concluded that, amongst others, UN director of the Oil-For-Food programme, the Annan appointed Mr Sevan, "corruptly benefited" from his role with the UN - that he had solicited and received kickbacks worth almost $150,000 from a small company called Amep, who he had helped profit from the sale of Iraqi oil.

msolga said
[qoute]Our government had a responsibility to the UN to oversee our country's participation in the oil-for-food scheme. (Yes, I know that oil-for-food has been rorted by business interests of other countries, but my concern is about what my country has done. $300 million was by far the biggest, single rort of the scheme.)[/quote]

every one was rorting the system from Koffi on down. that doesnt make it right but........................
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http://www.nationalreview.com/rosett/rosett200509090924.asp

U.N. Agencies, if they make too much noise right now, risk calling attention to their misappropriation of at least $50 million in Oil-for-Food money earmarked to buy relief under the program for sick and hungry Iraqis, which the agencies took for their own already well-padded administrative budgets and Volcker is recommending they give back.
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Msolga your only concern appears to be the delight you will feel when the Howard government is discredited, without thought for the people who are going to feed you next year. Think about that.

Hinge - Walter I invite you to comment - any way you see fit
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 09:35 pm
dadpad wrote:
...Msolga your only concern appears to be the delight you will feel when the Howard government is discredited, without thought for the people who are going to feed you next year. Think about that.


Huh?
I listed a number of my "concerns" in the post above, dadpad. Government integrity (or lack of) & accountability being a predominant one. And starving Iraqis for whom the oil-for-food dollars were intended, to name another. And how about Australian troops, soon to invade Iraq .... ? And ... ah, forget it!

I don't recall saying that I didn't care about the predicament of wheat farmers (if that's who the people who are going to feed me next year are ..?) Show me where I did that, will you please? Frankly, they seem to be all you care about.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 08:07 am
http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5104879,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 08:14 am
Still lots of cartoon commentary on this issue. Lots more to come, no doubt, as the Cole enquiry continues....:

http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/03/cartoon4206_gallery__470x300,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 08:16 am
Saturday's Leunig:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/03/cartoon_0402_gallery__470x332.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 09:04 am
Now BHP has been implicated in shady oil-for-food dealings with Saddam & there's been an application to extend the scope of Cole inquiry to allow investigation of them, too. :

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5104928,00.jpg
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 04:23 pm
AWB 'on watch' in US
By Lucy Skuthorp - Australia
Friday, 3 February 2006

US senators and powerful farm lobby groups from across America this week wrote to the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) asking it to reimpose the suspension of AWB's US affiliate from American export credit programs, after more damaging allegations at the Cole inquiry in Sydney.

Seven US senators sent a letter on Monday to Mike Johanns, the US Secretary of Agriculture, asking that the suspension be reinstated until "crucial questions in this matter can be addressed".

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=32068

Record Aussie beef to Japan in 2005
Strength in export cattle markets The latest ban on US beef into the Japanese market has given renewed confidence to livestock vendors and buyers alike.
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At the crunch, it's save the desk
By Duncan Bremner
Friday, 3 February 2006

Wagga Wagga district farmer David Taylor, "Woodlands", Bulgary, hasn't been "spooked" yet into selling his AWB shares, despite their plunging value, saying he still believes AWB is "a good company".

But, like many other graingrower shareholders, he is "listening very closely" to proceedings at the Cole inquiry.

Mr Taylor is so far disappointed at the emerging inquiry evidence which he says appears to implicate the company's senior management.

But it was too early to reach any conclusions, as all he had to go on was media reports and he would await the inquiry's findings before passing judgment.

His main concern was for the future of the single desk, without which growers' vital marketing regime would "fall apart".

He hopes the company will survive, even if it means "cleaning out the upper echelons".

Otherwise, smaller growers would be "at the mercy once again of the big conglomerates".

Source The Land NSW Feb 2
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