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Donald is dead?

Oh dear.

Hugh Stretton is a dollink.

I know his son, Simon who isn't.

So it goes....

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<sigh>

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And onto the daily news Rolling Eyes

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presume the election will be abandoned if we take the ashes off you?

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msolga wrote:

I'm trying to remember Donald Horne's thoughts about the "lucky country", forever wrongly quoted. He said something like this: We're a lucky (fortunate) country, inherited by fools without vision. Not his exact words, but I think I got his gist right. Oh, how right he was! And how I wish he could have stayed on longer & said more.

Apparently it annoyed him no end when people got it wrong. The irony of the title of the book was apparently lost in time. Bit like the irony of "Honest Johnny".

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

presume the election will be abandoned if we take the ashes off you?

Natch. You know how it goes, never have an election when there is a mood of public gloom and doom. If Australia loses the ashes there will be despondency such as hasn't been seen since Phar Lap was murdered.

Edited for really rotten grammar.

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Last Update: Thursday, September 8, 2005. 6:21pm (AEST)

ALP questions Vaile's Telstra disclosures

The Federal Opposition says Nationals leader Mark Vaile has made a liar of the Prime Minister by disclosing information about the state of Telstra to his party room.

John Howard has defended not revealing to the public information that Telstra shared in a meeting on August 11.

Telstra's briefing to senior ministers last month revealed years of under-investment and widespread faults in Telstra's phone network.

Mr Howard says it would have been illegal for him to do so and the responsibilities for disclosure are with Telstra.

Mr Vaile has told Parliament today that he informed his colleagues about details revealed in the briefing with Telstra management.

Opposition Leader Kim Beazley asked Mr Vaile: "Did the Deputy Prime Minister inform his National Party colleagues of the contents of the August 11, 2005 biriefings when he signed them up?"

Mr Vaile replied: "Did I tell my collegues? Yes I did."

Shadow attorney-general Nicola Roxon says Mr Vaile's revelation shows Mr Howard has let down ordinary shareholders by not sharing the information.

"If it was okay for Mark Vaile to tell his National party backbenchers about the briefing that he received on August 11, then it must have been okay for the Prime Minister to tell mum and dad investors this very same information," she said.

"They can't both be right, either Mr Howard has been misleading the public or Mark Vaile has broken the law.".. <cont.>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1456276.htm

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goodfielder wrote:

msolga wrote:
I'm trying to remember Donald Horne's thoughts about the "lucky country", forever wrongly quoted. He said something like this: We're a lucky (fortunate) country, inherited by fools without vision. Not his exact words, but I think I got his gist right. Oh, how right he was! And how I wish he could have stayed on longer & said more.

Apparently it annoyed him no end when people got it wrong. The irony of the title of the book was apparently lost in time. Bit like the irony of "Honest Johnny".

We're really not good at getting irony, are we? Rolling Eyes

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

presume the election will be abandoned if we take the ashes off you?

No election for quite a while, Steve. <sigh>
And I would be delighted if England won the ashes! In the interests of "the game", of course! Very Happy

:wink: I believe that many Oz cricket tragics will be very bleary-eyed from sitting up till the wee small hours, on tenter hooks. Employers have been asked to be understanding in these exceptional circumstances! Very Happy

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msolga wrote:

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
presume the election will be abandoned if we take the ashes off you?

No election for quite a while, Steve. <sigh>
And I would be delighted if England won the ashes! In the interests of "the game", of course! :wink: I believe that many Oz cricket tragics will be very bleary-eyed from sitting up till the wee small hours, on tenter hooks. Employers have been asked to be understanding in these exceptional circumstances!

you cant be reasonable like this msolga. Its not how Aussies are supposed to behave. You win and gloat we lose and whinge remember...keep to the script please.

(thick edge flies through the gap for 4 runs Smile

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I'm sorry to disappoint you, Steve. Laughing

But, hey, a real competition would be rather nice, yes? Very Happy

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and we're getting it.

38 for no wicket.

really fast outfield.

23,000 crowd

perfect cricket weather

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goodfielder wrote:

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
presume the election will be abandoned if we take the ashes off you?

Natch. You know how it goes, never have an election when there is a mood of public gloom and doom. If Australia loses the ashes there will be despondency such as hasn't been seen since Phar Lap was murdered.

Ah, who gives a tuppenny smeg about the dumb ashes?

I HOPE we lose.

It's been so damn BORING.

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Writer, historian Donald Horne dies
Thursday, 8 September , 2005 18:38:00

MARK COLVIN: The Australian writer, historian and intellectual, Donald Horne, has died. Professor Horne's most famous work was his first, the ironically titled and highly influential The Lucky Country which was published in 1964. He did early this morning aged 83 after a long battle with lung disease.

In his early life Donald Horne worked in advertising before turning to journalism and academia, all the while continuing to write and publish prodigiously.

David Mark looks at the life of a major intellectual talent.

DAVID MARK: Donald Horne's output as a writer was as prolific as his career was varied. He published more than 20 books on history, social and political commentary, biography as well as novels and several volumes of autobiography.

After serving in the AIF during World War Two he worked in advertising and journalism as a reporter for the Daily Telegraph and as an editor on among others The Bulletin and Quadrant.

He later moved into academia and served on various boards including a stint as Chairman of the Australia Council.

The Radio National broadcaster, Phillip Adams, met Donald Horne 50 years ago when they both worked in advertising.

PHILLIP ADAMS: Donald leapt out of the agency field having done awfully well in it and emerged reinvented as the editor of Sir Frank Packer's Bulletin, where he memorably, well at least to me, sacked me. But I forgave him for that, when he wrote The Lucky Country.

DONALD HORNE: I actually wrote it in six weeks, it was when I was at this advertising agency, it was over the Christmas New Year period when all of the executives were off having playing golf and so forth, and I was able to write it so quickly because I'd virtually thought it all up anyway.

DAVID MARK: The title of The Lucky Country was frequently taken literally but intended to be ironic.

PHILLIP ADAMS: It wasn't a celebration of Australia's fortunate status, it was almost a criticism of a country which despite its governmental ineptitudes kept falling on its feet.

DONALD HORNE: In manufacturing, and in finance, we simply have been a colonial derivative society in which we've grown up with the idea that we just fitted into the British trading pattern and that was all we had to do.

DAVID MARK: The Lucky Country was Donald Horne's first book and is seen as his most important, but Phillip Adams says Donald Horne didn't see it that way.

PHILLIP ADAMS: In some ways it typecast him - he was stuck with a particularly famous book. It's the iconic book, the iconic title, iconic and ironic of course, and it lingers in our collective memory.

DAVID MARK: The irony of the title has of course been misused over the past 40 years. How did he feel about that?

PHILLIP ADAMS: Oh, he thought it was funny.

DONALD HORNE: It seems to me speaking as someone who used to be an editor as well as being a reporter, almost beyond belief that people can still come up to me in the course of an interview and say "is it still a lucky country?" not having any idea of what I'd meant by that phrase.

DAVID MARK: Historian, Michael McKernan met Donald Horne at the University of New South Wales in 1975.

MICHAEL MCKERNAN: He was teaching in politics. We were just along the corridor from each other. I of course, as a young member of staff was in awe of a man who had written so much, and it was inspiring to us, I suppose, to have somebody who was a real writer in academia.

DAVID MARK: Michael McKernan, every Australian history student for the last 30 or so years has read The Lucky Country. Why?

MICHAEL MCKERNAN: Because it's accessible. And that's one of the great things about Donald as a writer. My favourite book of his is in fact The Education of Young Donald, which is an autobiography of his growing up in Musswelbrook, and it's just superb.

I mean, he could really write, he could make you understand the points that he was trying to make, give you the feeling, the atmosphere, and so on.

And so it is in The Lucky Country. I mean, you say generations of Australian history students have studied it, of course they have, because they can understand it. It's well written and the points are made clearly, and he's got something to say.

PHILLIP ADAMS: Well, he's significant because he pioneered the role of the public intellectual when we only had about three of them - and he was at least two.

MICHAEL MCKERNAN: He was a great patron, he was after all involved with the Australia Council for a long time, he was helping other people learn about writing, learn about being Australian, learn about the ideas market and so on, and he was very, very vibrant in getting people to communicate, to talk, to debate, discuss, to argue. He loved an argument, he loved the presentation of ideas and that's incredibly important.

DONALD HORNE: Although people have a perfect human right to be fat gutted and bare-chested and to drink out of tins or small bottles, there has been within Australia a great exultation of the yob, and (inaudible) that spreading outside Australia, well, that's no surprise.

PHILLIP ADAMS: He was first, foremost, first and last exemplar of the public intellectual. He was out there trying to stir the possum, be a troublemaker, toss the odd hand grenade around, and we'll miss him.

MARK COLVIN: Radio National's Phillip Adams, and Phillip will be playing the last interview that Donald Horne did on tonight's Late Night Live on Radio National.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2005/s1456305.htm

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dlowan wrote:

goodfielder wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
presume the election will be abandoned if we take the ashes off you?

Natch. You know how it goes, never have an election when there is a mood of public gloom and doom. If Australia loses the ashes there will be despondency such as hasn't been seen since Phar Lap was murdered.

Ah, who gives a tuppenny smeg about the dumb ashes?

I HOPE we lose.

It's been so damn BORING.

It's cricket, it's supposed to be boring Laughing

I said that to a mate of mine once and he accused me of not understanding the subtleties in the game. Guess what - he's right. But I have to say this one has been interesting and good fun. And the side discussions here have been funny and enjoyable.

But...........................I just want to see Warne lose something Twisted Evil

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YES!!!!!!!!!!

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I shouldn't personalise this but fair dinkum he disgusts me. Now I feel bad.

No I don't. Twisted Evil

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Neither you shouldn't.

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