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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 06:38 am
msolga wrote:
Builder wrote:
Perhaps I should film his neighbours for a documentary on his early childhood?


It'd be an interesting idea, but you don't suppose his sister would mind her neighbours being interviewed? Privacy & all that... or the photograph of her house being published online? Just a thought ...

You sound as thought you've taken a real shine to them, Builder. Smile


Oh, I don't think you realise just how "close" this neighbourhood is, Msolga.

We are talking Nambour heights here. The couple I was working for have lived in their house for most of their lives, and they never fail to wave to each and every car that drives past. It's what we call a "close" or a circuit track.

Very friendly and personable, but nobody gets to move without the street gossips knowing your every move.

Maybe I stepped over the boundary in posting the house pic, but I don't think Kevin would give a damn. You wouldn't believe the outrage of the locals at the cartoon of Rudd snr's grave being exhumed.

I'll ask admin to remove it, if you think it's inappropriate.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 06:43 am
Hey, who am I to suggest something should or shouldn't be removed, Builder? If you think his sister would think it's OK, then no problem.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 07:51 am
Here's a transcript of that debate I mentioned earlier:

Hockey, Gillard debate Workchoices
The World Today - Monday, 26 March , 2007 12:26:00 :


http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s1881715.htm
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Builder
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 08:41 am
JOE HOCKEY: Well, certainly that's something we're looking at but the reason why... the reason why it has not been released involving individual agreements is because each individual agreement has it's own conditions.

For example, some individuals that have signed AWAs have traded off access to penalties, penalties they may never have claimed and in return have received access to say, a bonus pool that they may have claimed.


It won't surprise me at all when these pretentious pricks get shown the exit door.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 09:02 am
Builder wrote:
JOE HOCKEY: ..... some individuals that have signed AWAs have traded off access to penalties, penalties they may never have claimed and in return have received access to say, a bonus pool that they may have claimed.


I'd be interested to know just how many individual workers actually do sit down with management & negotiate a personalized contract! I love that cosy picture of the boss & the worker sitting down together, one-to-one, to work out each individual contract!:wink:
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Builder
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 09:08 am
msolga wrote:
Builder wrote:
JOE HOCKEY: ..... some individuals that have signed AWAs have traded off access to penalties, penalties they may never have claimed and in return have received access to say, a bonus pool that they may have claimed.


I'd be interested to know just how many individual workers actually do sit down with management & negotiate a personalized contract! I love that cosy picture of the boss & the worker sitting down together, one-to-one, to work out each individual contract!:wink:


I'm in that fortunate position of being in demand. I don't sit down and work out a contract with those who need my services. I simply chuckle at their offers, and tell them to call me back when they get a real offer together.

I'm thinking that what the unions ought to do is amalgamate, and offer support packages for workers, so they can do they same. Meaning that when the offer falls short, simply pull out, and wait for a better offer.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 09:13 am
There are also many cases where workers are simply presented with a contract to sign .... with the "choice" of either signing on the dotted or not having a job.
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bungie
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 01:27 pm
msolga wrote:
He thinks this makes him impressive with the business community. (Just in case they're contemplating the outrageous notion that Labor might be half OK!) And obviously any other approach than JH's would not be "responsible economic management"! :wink:


Builder, these are the people I refer to as bonzai's mates ... the captain's of industry, land owners etc etc .. ( as opposed to his political colleagues )
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bungie
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 01:46 pm
msolga wrote:

Anyway, I reckon there must be positive ways of selling the benefits of far & decent health, education & other reforms to Australians, so it's not simply an argument about how much improved public services cost. Too often Labor's well intentioned efforts in these areas (like with Latham's education funding reforms) were dismissed as promoting"class warfare", etc. When really, it was is about creating a fairer & more cohesive society & reducing the growing gap between the haves & have nots in this country.

Sorry if this post seems a bit all over the place .... thinking out loud here.


Remember the "old" days when labor tried to make things fairer to all ??? It was always howled down as a communist or socialist plot !!
Reds under the bed stuff .... But one social policy they all agree on, is the retirement benefits , pensions etc they all go out on ... perhaps if they had the same retirement conditions as the general population, they might make some better welfare choices along the way.
And as msolga said,
Sorry if this post seems a bit all over the place .... thinking out loud here.
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 04:52 am
bungie wrote:


Builder, these are the people I refer to as bonzai's mates ... the captain's of industry, land owners etc etc .. ( as opposed to his political colleagues )


The backbone of society?

Okay, I'm with you now.

The IR reforms are all about bartering power. If you can haggle succintly and successfully, from a true position of power, then you should use every trick in the book to find a "common ground" that you find financially agreeable.

The owner is basically using your talent to make a profit, so why the farque should they make any more profit than they need to keep the business afloat?
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 06:48 am
bungie wrote:
Remember the "old" days when labor tried to make things fairer to all ??? It was always howled down as a communist or socialist plot !!


Yes, social justice seems to be terribly unfashionable these days, doesn't it, bungie? Do you reckon there's any real, live socialists in the ALP these days? I'll give you a prize if you can spot one! :wink:

Don't ask me why (masochistic tendencies, perhaps?) but I've been reading Mark Latham's Diaries. It's actually a pretty interesting read, believe it or not. Anyway, he certainly gave a lot of in-depth thought on to how the Labor Party should go about addressing inequality. Some very progressing ideas, he had. But anyway .......
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 07:43 am
An interesting article by Tim Colebatch, in yesterday's AGE. I've often wondered why the Liberal's claims about the creation of so many new jobs under their IR regime & the subsequent reduction of unemployment rates is taken at face value. And rarely questioned by Labor & the media. So many of those jobs aren't fulltime positions (& many are casual contract positions, too). Not exactly the rosy picture the Libs like to paint.:

Making Australia Work:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/26/wbOPspooner_wideweb__470x322,0.jpg

The country's employment rate is not as high as it could be. We need policies to use the workforce's potential, writes Tim Colebatch.


...... Australia is not remotely in full employment. The Reserve (Bank) notes that the unemployment rate is at or around a 30-year low, at 4.6 per cent. But that is only one bit of information about the labour market, and not the most useful bit.

Look again at the figures I began with. Just over 10 per cent of job growth over the past three years came from reducing unemployment. Almost 90 per cent came from migrants, school leavers, and others defined as not in the labour force. And the same will be true in the next three years.

The unemployment rate does not tell us whether or not resources are fully employed. To do that, we need a better measure, so I have invented one: the full-time equivalent (FTE) employment rate.

The concept is not new. In the public service, schools and hospitals, governments already measure employment by converting the number of part-time jobs into full-time equivalent jobs (e.g. two part-timers each working 19 hours a week equals one full-time equivalent worker). It is time the Bureau of Statistics did the same for the whole workforce.

You'd need a computer to process its detailed data on how many hours part-timers work. But roughly speaking, part-timers average 19 hours of work a week, so two part-time jobs roughly equals one full-time equivalent. Using that rule of thumb,

At first sight, the Reserve is right. That's the highest employment rate ever in the 30 years since the bureau began monthly employment surveys, topping the 61.6 per cent in 1989-90. But it's certainly not full employment.

It's nowhere near the employment rates in Scandinavia or Switzerland, which are close to 70 per cent, and well below New Zealand (63.8 per cent). We have a long way to go yet.

But wait, there's more. Among females, the FTE employment rate has surged from 38.6 per cent in 1978-79 to 50.8 per cent in 2006. It has fallen among teenage girls, who are now studying, has stayed flat among 35 to 44-year-olds, who now have small children, but has risen sharply among 25 to 34 year-olds and all age groups over 45.

And if employers could shed their bias against hiring older workers, the rise so far would be just the tip of the iceberg: far more women over 45 could be working in future.

But for men, it's quite the reverse. Employment rates are way lower than in the past.

In 1978-79, men aged 15 to 64 had an FTE employment rate of 80.2 per cent. But two recessions shattered that, and even in 10 years of the Howard Government, male employment has rebounded only marginally, to be 73.2 per cent in 2006.

We are not short of capacity. We are short of policies and hiring practices that make the most of it.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/making-australia-work/2007/03/26/1174761374971.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 08:36 am
This is funny!:


Coalition defeated over workers' comp
March 27, 2007 - 9:35PM/the AGE

The federal government suffered an embarrassing and unexpected defeat in parliament tonight when it failed to ensure there were enough coalition senators in the chamber to pass a controversial bill.

The result came as the Senate considered legislation that narrows eligibility for workers' compensation.

Labor and the minor parties opposed the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation and Other Legislation Amendment Bill, saying it was not in the interests of employees.

After lengthy debate about amendments the bill was defeated on its third reading, as there were just 30 coalition senators in the chamber to 31 opposing the bill, including Family First senator Steve Fielding.

The result prompted disbelief from all parties. .... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/coalition-defeated-over-workers-comp/2007/03/27/1174761475764.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 07:21 pm
The first birthday of WorkChoices.
Seems that many Australians aren't exactly choofed with the changes in their workplaces. :wink: :


Workplace law still loathed: poll
Michael Bachelard and Michelle Grattan
March 26, 2007/the AGE
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THE Federal Government's radical workplace changes are deeply unpopular a year after they began. Almost six in 10 people are still opposed to the changes, according to an exclusive Age/ACNielsen poll.

Labor has claimed WorkChoices, which stripped down compulsory conditions and unfair dismissal protection, was a big factor in the NSW Government's win at the weekend and yesterday sought to play up the federal implications of the win.

Federal deputy leader and industrial relations spokeswoman Julia Gillard said: "Working Australian families don't want John Howard's laws, and they will get a true opportunity at the federal election to tell him through the ballot box."

Prime Minister Howard and Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey said IR was not important in the NSW result and the laws would not be changed in substance. But Mr Howard did not rule out minor adjustments.

The poll showed 24 per cent of the 80 per cent of voters aware of the workplace policy backed it. Fifty-nine per cent were against, including 25 per cent of Coalition voters.



Meanwhile, a survey by Griffith University's David Peetz, commissioned by the Victorian Industrial Relations Department, found hourly pay rates for non-managers on Australian Workplace Agreements had fallen by 3.3 per cent. But Professor Peetz found the high pay of AWA workers in Western Australia's mining industry distorted this figure: in Victoria, employees on AWAs were paid 12 per cent less than those on collective agreements. ... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/workplace-law-still-loathed-poll/2007/03/25/1174761282553.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 07:26 pm
http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5431557,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 07:47 pm
So you thought the object of WorkChoices was productivity increases & job creation? :wink:
Read on & discover what's really happening.

An excellent article from Ken Davidson. Well worth a read to discover what impact WorkChoices is actually having.:


A year of living uneasily
March 29, 2007/the AGE

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/28/wbOPspooner_wideweb__470x330,0.jpg

Money that should be in workers' pockets is going to profits and fat-cat salaries, writes Kenneth Davidson.

IT IS no wonder the Howard Government is on the nose with wage earners. The central objective of WorkChoices is to redistribute income from wage and salary earners to profits. The means is not deregulation of the labour market. It is to re-regulate the labour market in a way that increases employers' ability to unilaterally set wages and conditions by criminalising trade unions' function in collectively negotiating with employers, a function that needs to be backed up with the right to strike when employers refuse to bargain in good faith.

Over the year in which WorkChoices has been in force, its success has been measured in the decline in the share of national income accruing to wages and the concomitant continued growth in profits despite very tight conditions in the labour market.

WorkChoices is emphatically not a means to achieve higher productivity or even primarily directed at increasing employment opportunities for marginal members of the workforce. This is the conclusion that can be drawn from a study for the Victorian Department of Industrial Relations by Griffith University professor of industrial relations David Peetz.

He points out that employment growth of 2.6 per cent in the first 11 months of WorkChoices was noticeably weaker than the 3.9 per cent growth after the unfair dismissal laws were introduced in 1994.

Peetz also notes that the current growth cycle is showing the second-poorest rate of productivity growth of the last eight cycles. This is not the result of entry into the workforce of semi-skilled and unskilled workers with low productivity. The share of "unskilled workers" in the workforce is the lowest on record, with employment growth concentrated in more skilled occupations.

More damning still are business surveys in which the balance of respondents claim that WorkChoices won't help expand their businesses or boost productivity.

The Australian Small Business Survey, undertaken by MYOB in mid-2006, found only 12 per cent of respondents expected WorkChoices would lead to an improvement in productivity, compared to 34 per cent who did not. A survey of 300 middle and senior managers undertaken in February 2007 found that only 17 per cent expected WorkChoices to make things better for their organisation, while 26 per cent expected it to make things worse. Victorian managers were even more negative, believing the policy would make their organisations worse off by a margin of 29 per cent to 15 per cent.

According to Peetz, part of the reason for managers' pessimism is their fear that employees' perception of the system as unfair will rebound onto business through poor worker morale and lower productivity. "But it also relates to the complexity of the legislation, and to the high degree of state intervention it involves and permits in workplace employment relations, through such matters as 'prohibited content' in agreements."

Wage earners are not stupid. They recognise WorkChoices will adversely affect their job security even if it hasn't yet affected their wages. Neither are they being led by the nose by union leaders against their own interests. Horror stories circulate about the impact on job security and wages as a result of the shift of workers from collective agreements to AWAs. So far the impact is only being felt by unskilled and semi-skilled workers, and particularly women, but all workers know the impact will move up the food chain when the business cycle inevitably turns down.

The wages share of national income is at a 35-year low. Between 1996 and 2006, wage earners' share of national income has fallen from 56 per cent to under 54 per cent of GDP despite the obscene growth in executive salaries, while profits have increased from 24 to 28 per cent of GDP.



It seems that at least half the growth in profits and and the massive rise in share prices have been extracted at wage earners' expense. Some of these profits will come back to wage earners in the form of higher superannuation benefits, but most of the $16 billion in tax expenditures to induce wage earners to take out superannuation accrue to the highest income earners.

But the tax burden has gone up as well. After counting back the GST, the Commonwealth has increased taxes from 23 to 25 per cent of GDP, which adds up to an additional burden on the average member of the workforce of around $2100 (or $40 a week) between 1996 and 2006.

Where has this additional revenue gone?Kenneth Davidson is a senior columnist.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-year-of-living-uneasily/2007/03/28/1174761560772.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 08:45 pm
Laughing

Our new green PM! (Just catching up with the 21st century. Puff, puff, pant, pant ...)

What next?! He'll become an impassioned champion of gay marriage?

Are there any votes in that?

:wink: :



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5431726,00.jpg

PM's plan to rescue the world's forests:
AUSTRALIA will form a global fund to fight illegal logging and forest destruction worldwide with the aim of halving the rate of deforestation and achieving greenhouse gas emission reductions 10 times greater than under the Kyoto Protocol. ... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21466311-601,00.html
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bungie
 
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Reply Thu 29 Mar, 2007 02:29 am
Many workers are yet to feel the effect of "Workchoices"
Thousands of workers are still covered by industrial awards and agreements, but as these agreements expire, they can not be re-instated.
A lot more pain is yet to be felt by the wage earner.
How much more of bonzai and his mates do the little people have to cop before they boot them out ? IT'S WAY PAST TIME !
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 30 Mar, 2007 09:49 pm
bungie wrote:
Many workers are yet to feel the effect of "Workchoices"
Thousands of workers are still covered by industrial awards and agreements, but as these agreements expire, they can not be re-instated.


I hope Labor & their advertising people spell that out loud & clear in the next few months, bungie. Those workers who swapped sides at the last election & voted for Howard & the Libs (because of the "economic management" scare campaign) need to fully understand where the real threats to their livelihoods are coming from.
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bungie
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 02:30 am
msolga wrote:
bungie wrote:
Many workers are yet to feel the effect of "Workchoices"
Thousands of workers are still covered by industrial awards and agreements, but as these agreements expire, they can not be re-instated.


I hope Labor & their advertising people spell that out loud & clear in the next few months, bungie. Those workers who swapped sides at the last election & voted for Howard & the Libs (because of the "economic management" scare campaign) need to fully understand where the real threats to their livelihoods are coming from.


I agree msolga. It is the ordinary wage earners who have been getting him over the line. I certainly hope they see this man and policies for what they really are.
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