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Fri 29 Oct, 2004 12:28 am
Do You See A Pattern Here?
Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V, Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven
campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18
Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Republicans
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by
marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who
attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running
for U.S. Senate;
failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in
Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in
NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't
shoot back.)
Gold! Cool stuff!
Where is this from?
knnknn
knnknn, an e-mail from a friend. No link available.
BBB
Then what evidence is there of its veracity?
Wow pick Democrats who served and Republicans who didn't (some for letigimate reason) and pretend you've made a point. How original.
the point is obvious for anyone who has been listening to those who did not serve.
"Do you see a pattern here?"
As Craven said when the very same thing was posted here already
in another thread of its own:
"Yep, a pattern of selection."
revel wrote:the point is obvious for anyone who has been listening to those who did not serve.
You mean people who listen to Clinton???? People like Clitnon did not serve.
What is your point???
I believe the list is comfort food for liberals as they've been assaulted for being pacifists for so long. I don't give it much credence.
panzade wrote:I believe the list is comfort food for liberals as they've been assaulted for being pacifists for so long. I don't give it much credence.
Sort of a "pacifier" for the pacifists?
How many times is this going to be posted? The pattern that I see is mindless liberal drones posting this all over the internet.
cannistershot wrote:How many times is this going to be posted? The pattern that I see is mindless liberal drones posting this all over the internet.
THAT's the only pattern you see? Interesting.
knnknn wrote:cannistershot wrote:How many times is this going to be posted? The pattern that I see is mindless liberal drones posting this all over the internet.
THAT's the only pattern you see? Interesting.
No I also see a pattern of selection.
cannistershot wrote:knnknn wrote:cannistershot wrote:How many times is this going to be posted? The pattern that I see is mindless liberal drones posting this all over the internet.
THAT's the only pattern you see? Interesting.
No I also see a pattern of selection.
OK, then post a counter-proof instead of complaining
This list was quickly compiled for republicans that did indeed serve: I see a pattern of alot of actual COMBAT service from republicans vs national guard and reserve of democrats....Wish I had an hour or two to do total research, but I am trying to figure out your point in your democrats serve more therory...
President GW Bush, Pilot, Texas Air National Guard, 1968-1973.
Colin Powell, Secretary of State
US Army, 35-year career, Vietnam, rose to the rank of 4-star general
Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State
U.S. Navy, Naval Academy, 3 combat tours in Vietnam.
Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
U.S. Navy, 1954-57, pilot, flight instructor.
Former President Gerald Ford
U.S. Navy, WWII, Lieutenant Commander
Former Vice President Dan Quayle
U.S. Army, Indiana National Guard.
Former President George H. W. Bush
U.S. Navy, pilot, WWII. Shot down by the Japanese
Tom Ridge, Director Homeland Security
U.S. Army, Vietnam, Bronze Star for Valor
John McCain, Senator (R-AZ)
U.S. Navy, Naval Academy, Pilot, Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Chuck Hagel, Senator (R-NE)
U.S. Army, two Purple Hearts, Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Lindsey Graham, Senator (R-SC)
U.S. Army lawyer, National Guard
Bob Dole, Former senator
U.S. Army, WWII, Italy campaigns, two Purple Hearts, Bronze Star Medal.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts & a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Duke Cunningham: nominated for Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Silver Stars, Air Medals, Purple Hearts.
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973! -1986
Leonard Wood : US Chief of staff Medal of Honor winner. US Army Phd
Representative Sam R. Johnson
combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam
POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973
Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK
WW II pilot
two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China.
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD)
served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action
Kerry: Draft Likely to Return Under Bush
On A Side note of the Demo spin of Bush reinstating the draft... The only people wanting one are the people sponsoring this.....
It's quite true that the two bills mentioned would require both men and women aged 18 through 25 to perform a two-year period of "national service," which incidentally could be either military or non-military service. But the bills are sponsored only by Democrats, and there's not the slightest evidence that the Bush administration is pushing for them, quietly or otherwise.
Bills HR 163 and S 89 have been introduced, prior to the War in Iraq by Charles Rangel (D-NY) and Ernest
Hollings (D-SC)respectively.
CO-Sponsors of HR 163:
ABERCROMBIE, NEIL - D, HI
BROWN, CORRINE - D FL
CHRISTENSEN, DONNA - D, VI
CLAY, WM. - D MO
CONYERS, JOHN - D, MI
CUMMINGS, ELIJAH - D, MD
HASTINGS, ALCIE - D, FL
JACKSON LEE, SHEILA - D, TX
LEWIS, JOHN - D, GA
MC DERMOTT, JIM - D, WA
MORAN, JAMES - D,VA
NORTON, ELEANOR HOLMES - D, DC
STARK, FORTNEY - D, CA
VALEZQUEZ, NYDIA D, NY
" I am pleased to be an original co-sponsor of Congressman Rangel's bill, McDermott continued. " If we need to re-instate the draft in order to make the Administration consider the chilling consequences of war, so be it. I hope this will make them realize how important a diplomatic solution really is. "
Hmmm.... nice ... wants a draft to score a point... and playing games...Too Bad they didnt feel that way when our soldiers were dying from 1992-1999... oh well its ok for soldiers to die with a Democrat in charge for lesser reasons......
Armyvet35 wrote:Hmmm.... nice ... wants a draft to score a point... and playing games...Too Bad they didnt feel that way when our soldiers were dying from 1992-1999... oh well its ok for soldiers to die with a Democrat in charge for lesser reasons......
Our soldiers weren't dying on stupid Crusades Vet. I find your sarcasm and feigned outrage way beneath you.
Ask anyone in the military that deployed to Somolia, kosovo or Bosnia if they were for America or a crusade for others
Just a fact...
Whats wrong with sarcasm?
" If we need to re-instate the draft in order to make the Administration consider the chilling consequences of war, so be it.
Such a childish statement.....
correction on Bush - He was an AWOL pilot.
Armyvet35 wrote:Ask anyone in the military that deployed to Somolia, kosovo or Bosnia
Eh ... how many American troops went to Somalia, Kosovo and Bosnia in total? And how many have now been in Iraq? I think we're talking wholly different beasts, here ...
thanks for posting that list of Republicans who served tho ... at least it brings back the balance.
Lists such as this thread starts with ... well, it would only have made a valid point if it had not been so blatantly cherry-picking ... as itis, its just silly.
I think her point was that those that did not serve that she listed have been coming on tv and talking the tough talk of war and saying things like democrats would make us unsafe. (my words)
Clinton never has acted all tough or anything.
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