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Tons of Explosives Missing in Iraq

 
 
Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 01:12 pm
another example of bush's strong, steady leadership. why the hell didn't he give directions making the securing of this stuff a priority. after all, he keeps reminding us how he's the commander in chief...


Tons of Explosives Missing in Iraq

By WILLIAM J. KOLE
VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Several hundred tons of conventional explosives are missing from a former Iraqi military facility that once played a key role in Saddam Hussein's efforts to build a nuclear bomb, the U.N. nuclear agency confirmed Monday.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei will report the materials' disappearance to the U.N. Security Council later Monday, spokeswoman Melissa Fleming told The Associated Press.

``On Oct. 10, the IAEA received a declaration from the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology informing us that approximately 350 (metric) tons of high explosive material had gone missing,'' Fleming said.

``The most immediate concern here is that these explosives could have fallen into the wrong hands.''

In Washington, Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry's campaign said the Bush administration ``must answer for what may be the most grave and catastrophic mistake in a tragic series of blunders in Iraq.''

``How did they fail to secure ... tons of known, deadly explosives despite clear warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency to do so?'' senior Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart said in a statement.

The Iraqis told the nuclear agency the materials had been stolen and looted because of a lack of security at governmental installations, Fleming said.

``We do not know what happened to the explosives or when they were looted,'' she told AP.

Nearly 380 tons of powerful explosives that could be used to build large conventional bombs are missing from the former Al Qaqaa military installation, The New York Times reported Monday. The 380 tons is the U.S. equivalent of the figure of 350 metric tons mentioned by the Iraqis, the IAEA said.

The newspaper said they disappeared after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq last year.

The explosives included HMX and RDX, which can be used to demolish buildings, down jetliners, produce warheads for missiles and detonate nuclear weapons. HMX and RDX are key ingredients in plastic explosives such as C-4 and Semtex - substances so powerful that Libyan terrorists needed just 1 pound to blow up Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, killing 170 people.

Bush's national security adviser, Condoleeza Rice, was informed of the missing explosives in the past month, the report said. It said Iraq's interim government recently warned the United States and U.N. nuclear inspectors that the explosives had vanished.

``Upon receiving the declaration on Oct. 10, we first took measures to authenticate it,'' Fleming said. ``Then on Oct. 15, we informed the multinational forces through the U.S. government with the request for it to take any appropriate action in cooperation with Iraq's interim government.

``Mr. ElBaradei wanted to give them some time to recover the explosives before reporting this loss to the Security Council, but since it's now out, ElBaradei plans to inform the Security Council today'' in a letter to the council president, she said.

Before the war, inspectors with the Vienna-based IAEA had kept tabs on the so-called ``dual use'' explosives because they could have been used to detonate a nuclear weapon. Experts say HMX can be used to create a highly powerful explosion with enough intensity to ignite the fissile material in an atomic bomb and set off a nuclear chain reaction.

IAEA inspectors pulled out of Iraq just before the 2003 invasion and have not yet been able to return despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that the experts be allowed back in to finish their work.

ElBaradei told the U.N. Security Council before the war that Iraq's nuclear program was in disarray and that there was no evidence to suggest it had revived efforts to build atomic weaponry.

Al Qaqaa, a sprawling former military installation about 30 miles south of Baghdad, was placed under U.S. military control but repeatedly has been looted, raising troubling questions about whether the missing explosives have fallen into the hands of insurgents battling coalition forces.

Al-Qaqaa is located near Youssifiyah, an area rife with ambush attacks. An Associated Press Television News crew which drove past the compound Monday saw no visible security at the gates of the site, a jumble of low-slung, yellow storage buildings that appeared deserted.

Saddam was known to have used the site to make conventional warheads, and IAEA inspectors dismantled parts of his nuclear program there before the 1991 Gulf War. The experts also oversaw the destruction of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons.

The nuclear agency pulled out of Iraq in 1998, and by the time it returned in 2002, it confirmed that 35 tons of HMX that had been placed under IAEA seal were missing. HMX and RDX are the key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents have widely used in a series of bloody car bombings in Iraq.

``These explosives can be used to blow up airplanes, level buildings, attack our troops and detonate nuclear weapons,'' Lockhart said.

``The Bush administration knew where this stockpile was, but took no action to secure the site. They were urgently and specifically informed that terrorists could be helping themselves to the most dangerous explosives bonanza in history, but nothing was done to prevent it from happening,'' he said.

``This material was monitored and controlled by U.N. inspectors before the invasion of Iraq. Thanks to the stunning incompetence of the Bush administration, we now have no idea where it is,'' Lockhart said. He demanded the White House explain ``why they failed to safeguard these explosives and keep them out of the hands of our enemies.''

ElBaradei told the United Nations in February 2003 that Iraq had declared that ``HMX previously under IAEA seal had been transferred for use in the production of industrial explosives, primarily to cement plants as a booster for explosives used in quarrying.''

``However, given the nature of the use of high explosives, it may well be that the IAEA will be unable to reach a final conclusion on the end use of this material,'' ElBaradei warned at the time.

``A large quantity of these explosives were under IAEA seal because they do have a nuclear application,'' Fleming said Monday.

The nuclear agency has no concrete evidence to suggest the seals were broken, Fleming said, but a diplomat familiar with the agency's work in Iraq said the seals must have been broken if the explosives were stolen.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 05:05 pm
Well, waddya expect? This from the same pResidential leader who expected no casualties, happy Iraqis throwing us flowers, a quick win, quick and easy elections, and the fact that God told him he needed to invade Iraq.

Inept is just too kind of a word in describing this administration.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 05:13 pm
The time is good for this story to break if people are paying attention. Especially those smug-looking folks who are still undecided.

What, I wonder, needs to happen before these fools make up their minds? Or maybe they just like all the attention they're getting...
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richie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 04:33 am
strange
not that im the United States government but how can explosives be missing if theyve never been found?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 05:54 am
Conventional explosives....
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 06:12 am
http://drudgereport.com/nbcw.htm

Yet after a closer review, it appears these weapons were missing since BEFORE the US went into Iraq.


"But tonight, NBCNEWS reported: The 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives were already missing back in April 10, 2003 -- when U.S. troops arrived at the installation south of Baghdad!

An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

According to NBCNEWS, the HMX and RDX explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
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Desperate people will do deperate things...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 07:17 am
Even the NY Times admits that the prevalence of munitions everywhere in Iraq was overwhelming and no amount of forces could have located and secured it all within 24 hours. Of course since it is now the case that the Bush administration 'didn't fail to secure' the non-existent munitions in question, the NY TIme buried the newest information so it is unlikely to be seen--this, after their glaring accusatory front page banner headline.
Of course the NY Times has been running a series of late-term rehashes of former stories in a blatant and transparent effort to embarrass George Bush as much as possible in these last days before the election.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 07:20 am
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=976326#976326
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:23 am
Anything from Matt Drudge is automatically specious. He can't even get his grammatical errors checked on his site.

Besides, if this information was known, then why wasn't it reported back in 2003? Was Bush trying to hide this information from public consumption? If this is a rehash of a late story, where is the ORIGINAL story? Or is this yet another incompetent stategeery by the Bush administration as he threatened Saddam with an imminent attack, thereby giving him and his supporters ample time to hide those stockpiles?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:27 am
http://drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm

This is another example of "voter fraud" whereby the media will report fictious news to sway votes.

Don't blame Drudge. He is just reporting what is reported.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:28 am
http://drudgereport.com/nbcw6.htm

This is another example of "voter fraud" whereby the media will report fictious news to sway votes.

Don't blame Drudge. He is just reporting what is reported.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:37 am
Caution: The following is not a real news story ...

Saddam Worried Explosive Cache Now in 'Wrong Hands'
by Scott Ott


(2004-10-25) -- When Iraqi military interrogators informed the imprisoned Saddam Hussein that 377 tons of explosives had disappeared from a huge weapons storage facility, the former Iraqi president expressed concern that the extremely powerful chemical agents might "fall into the wrong hands."

His remarks bolstered claims by Democrat presidential candidate John Forbes Kerry that President George Bush had made a "great blunder" by failing to secure the weapons cache at Al Qaqaa.

"When Al Qaqaa was under Saddam Hussein's control, inventory management was efficient and reliable, and Americans could sleep at night," said Mr. Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator. "But once these weapons of nearly mass destruction (WNMD) came under the care of George W. Bush, they vanished. And who knows what kind of crazed, America-hating killers have them now?"

The missing materials include HMX (high melting point explosive) and RDX (rapid detonation explosive). Less than a pound of such substances brought down Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988.

However, chemical experts agree that HMX and RDX posed no threat to anyone as long as they were controlled by the legitimately-elected former president of the Republic of Iraq.

The Pentagon is reportedly negotiating a deal with Mr. Hussein to allow him to oversee Iraq's remaining weapons depots as a kind of prison work-release program while he awaits trial.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:45 am
""When Al Qaqaa was under Saddam Hussein's control, inventory management was efficient and reliable, and Americans could sleep at night," said Mr. Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator. "But once these weapons of nearly mass destruction (WNMD) came under the care of George W. Bush, they vanished. And who knows what kind of crazed, America-hating killers have them now?"

In 1993 they were under SADDAMS CONTROL. READ THE STORY.

Should we feel better that Saddam is showing remorse? Maybe a fool would.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:47 am
""When Al Qaqaa was under Saddam Hussein's control, inventory management was efficient and reliable, and Americans could sleep at night," said Mr. Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator. "But once these weapons of nearly mass destruction (WNMD) came under the care of George W. Bush, they vanished. And who knows what kind of crazed, America-hating killers have them now?"

In 1993 they were under SADDAMS CONTROL. READ THE STORY.

Should we feel better that Saddam is showing remorse? Maybe a fool would.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:50 am
Right, Ticomaya, all that from a site that claims:

News Failry Unbalanced. We Report. You Decipher.

And NOW we are to believe Saddam? Boy, you guys are a riot. Judging by the blog on that site, it isn't any surprise. It's also some of the worst sarcasm I've ever read.

woiyo:

What's "fictious?" Looks like neither you nor Drudge can spell very well.

And that is very sad...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:52 am
From http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1098677410357

Quote:
At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said US-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity.


Drudge is full of ****, as usual...

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:55 am
Quote:
Drudge is full of ****, as usual...


So is Scott Ott, it would seem...
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:56 am
Dookiestix wrote:
Right, Ticomaya, all that from a site that claims:

News Failry Unbalanced. We Report. You Decipher.

And NOW we are to believe Saddam? Boy, you guys are a riot. Judging by the blog on that site, it isn't any surprise. It's also some of the worst sarcasm I've ever read.

woiyo:

What's "fictious?" Looks like neither you nor Drudge can spell very well.

And that is very sad...



It's actually pretty funny. Not if you support Kerry, I suppose.

And since you brought it up ... what's "Failry"?

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Last night we get a report on NBC news that the explosives were already missing when U.S. troops arrived at the storage location on April 10, 2003. The last time the IAEA saw the explosives was three months earlier in January of 2003. There is no way to know just when the explosives were removed. Sometime after the IAEA saw them in January and before American troops got there in April. Obviously this isn't a case of Bush failing to "guard" the explosives. By the time our troops got there they weren't there to guard. In other words, nobody failed to guard anything and there was nothing we could have done about it. They were gone when we got there.

Well .. .hold on. There is something we could have done about it. We could have invaded earlier! Get in there before the Iraqis had a chance to hide the explosives! Is that what the Kerry supporters are saying we should have done?


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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:56 am
Cyclo - The very next paragraph from your posted article..."The IAEA had periodically inspected the site between 1991 and 2003, including numerous times between November 2002 and March 2003, the official said. As of January 2003 the IAEA had "fully inventoried" the site, the official said. It was not clear what additional inspections were done between January and March."

Why did you leave that important paragraph out???

The last inspection was JANUARY.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 10:57 am
I brought up a mispelling, not a typo. Big difference, but not to you it would seem...

But as both Drudge and Scott Ott are full of ****, why continue along this path of stupidity?
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