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CONTRA-DRUG SCANDAL: Sen.Kerry's Extremely Brave Act

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 03:32 pm
The last Somoza - Encyclopaedia Britannoica:

Anastasio Somoza Debayle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Anastasio Somoza Debayle (December 5, 1925 - September 17, 1980) was the President of Nicaragua from 1967 to 1972 and then from 1974 to 1979. As head of the National Guard, he also effectively held power in the intervening years. He was the last member of the Somoza family to be President, after a string of them had held power from 1936.

He was the second son of Anastasio Somoza Garcia, who became President of Nicaragua in 1937. The younger Somoza was initially educated in Florida (at Saint Leo Preparatory College, today known as Saint Leo University) and Long Island before graduating from West Point Military Academy in 1946. The following year, he was appointed head of the National Guard by his father, who had previously given many important posts to family members and close personal friends.

Following his father's assassination in 1956, Somoza's elder brother, Luis Somoza Debayle, took over the presidency. In 1967, shortly before the death of his brother, Anastasio Somoza was himself elected President for the first time. He stood down from the Presidency in 1972, owing to a law which disallowed immediate re-election.

In December of that year, an earthquake hit the nation's capital Managua, killing around ten thousand people, and virtually destroying the city. Martial law was declared, effectively making Somoza, as head of the National Guard, the country's leader once again. It was later discovered that the Somoza family had embezzled much of the international aid which had been sent to help with the aftermath of the earthquake.

Despite this, Somoza was re-elected President in the 1974 election, although the Catholic church had begun to speak against him. By the late 1970s, human rights groups were condemning the record of the Somoza government, and support for the Sandinistas was growing in the country. They eventually overthrew Somoza on July 17, 1979 and he fled to Miami, Florida. He was assassinated by Sandinista agents the following year in AsunciĆ³n, Paraguay.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 03:36 pm
gungasnake wrote:
dlowan wrote:


Yes, yes - on and on - but what has that to do with your defense of US sponsored terrorism and your condemnation of Kerry for exposing it?



My condemnation of Kerry???

Where have I condemned Kerry over this? All I really did on this thread was describe what actually happened in the case of the Contras and who the original villians in the picture were, i.e. congressional democrats who refused to fund whatever it was going to take to eliminate the commie regime in Nicaragua.

As to terrorism, sure the contras might be described as terrorists, nonetheless all commie governments arise via terrorism and in this case again, what you had was the sandinistas starting a class war and then losing it. In theory the sandinistas had the numbers, they had the love of the people, they had at least as much weaponry supplied by the CCCP as anything Ollie North and his two or three airplanes flying out of Clinton's little airport could possibly have supplied the contras with, by all rights they should have prevailed.

Something is seriously wrong with the picture which the leftists try to paint here.


Yes - and one of the biggest parts is the US government styling itself as world police, judge and executuioner re terror and despots, after sponsoring both for years.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 03:41 pm
Wikipedia on the Iran Contra affair - since it seems Gunga will not read links.

You may wish to look at the bit about the elections which brought the Sandinistas to power being judged fair by outside observers - except some of the right.

You may wish to revise your stuff about how much money the terrorist Contras got from Reagan too, Gunga.

Iran-Contra Affair
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In the Iran-Contra Affair, United States President Ronald Reagan's administration secretly sold arms to Iran, which was engaged in a bloody war with its neighbor Iraq from 1980 to 1988 (see Iran-Iraq War), and diverted the proceeds to the Contra rebels fighting to overthrow the leftist and democratically-elected Sandinista government of Nicaragua. Those sales thus had a dual goal: appeasing Iran, which had influence with militant groups that held several American hostages in Lebanon and supported bombings in Western European countries, and funding an anti-communist guerrilla war in Nicaragua.

Both transactions were contrary to acts of Congress, which prohibited the funding of the Contras and the sale of weapons to Iran. In addition, both activities violated UN sanctions.

Contents [showhide]
1 The arms-for-hostages deal

2 Funding the Contras

3 Discovery and scandal

4 Significance: The separation of powers

5 See also

6 External links

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The arms-for-hostages deal
The Israeli government approached the United States in August 1985 with a proposal to act as an intermediary by shipping 508 American-made TOW anti-tank missiles to Iran in exchange for the release of the Reverend Benjamin Weir, an American hostage being held by Iranian sympathizers in Lebanon, with the understanding that the United States would then ship replacement missiles to Israel. Robert McFarlane, the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, approached United States Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and arranged the details. The transfer took place over the next two months.

In November, there was another round of negotiations, where the Israelis proposed to ship Iran 500 HAWK anti-aircraft missiles in exchange for the release of all remaining American hostages being held in Lebanon. General Colin Powell attempted to procure the missiles, but realized that the deal would require Congressional notification as its overall value exceeded $14 million. McFarlane responded that the President had decided to conduct the sale anyway. Israel sent an initial shipment of 18 missiles to Iran in late November, but the Iranians didn't approve of the missiles, and further shipments were halted. Negotiations continued with the Israelis and Iranians over the next few months.

In January of 1986, Reagan allegedly approved a plan whereby an American intermediary, rather than Israel, would sell arms to Iran in exchange for the release of the hostages, with profits funnelled to the Contras. At first, the Iranians had refused the weapons from Ghorbanifar, the Iranian intermediary, when both North and Ghorbanifar created a 370% markup (WALSH, Lawrence E. "Firewall"). Another intermediary was used to sell 500 TOW missiles. With the marked-up income of $10 million from the $3.7 million before, and the Iranians capturing new hostages when they released old ones, was the end of the arms-for-hostages deal. In February, 1,000 TOW missiles were shipped to Iran. From May to November, there were additional shipments of miscellaneous weapons and parts.

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Funding the Contras
The proceeds from the arms sales were diverted, via Colonel Oliver North, aide to the U.S. National Security Advisor John Poindexter, to provide arms for the Contras (from Spanish contrarrevolucionario, "counter-revolutionary"). The Sandinistas' eventual loss of power in the 1990 national election was seen by some as stemming from U.S. support for the Contras as well as the effects of a U.S. trade embargo initiated in May 1985.

The U.S. accused the Sandinistas of being backed by the Soviet Union and Cuba, and of supporting left-wing rebels against the U.S.-backed government in El Salvador, scene of a destructive civil war throughout the 1980s. In 1985, the Sandinista movement claimed a majority in elections validated by other independent observers from Western democracies as fair and free, but the Reagan administration rejected the election as fraudulent.

Many conservative commentators agreed with Reagan and ignored the findings of international observers, comparing the election to one-candidate "elections" in communist countries, although six parties ran against the Sandinistas in that election, winning 35 of 96 seats in the national legislature.

The Reagan administration, contrary to acts of Congress (specifically the 1982-1983 Boland Amendment), ferried funds and weaponry to the Contras gained by the sale of arms to Iran. The Contras, led by former members of the National Guard of the overthrown Somoza regime (1936-1979) received weapons and training from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, especially in guerrilla tactics such as destroying infrastructural elements and assassination.

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Discovery and scandal
In November of 1986, the first public allegations of the weapons-for-hostages deal surfaced when on November 3 the Lebanese magazine Ash-Shiraa reported that the United States had been selling weapons to Iran in secret in order to secure the release of seven American hostages held by pro-Iranian groups in Lebanon. The clandestine operation was discovered only after an airlift of guns was downed over Nicaragua. On November 21, National Security Council member Oliver North and his secretary Fawn Hall started to shred documents implicating them and others in the scandal. US Attorney General Edwin Meese on November 25 admitted that profits from covert weapons sales to Iran were illegally diverted to the anti-communist Contra rebels in Nicaragua.

Faced with mounting pressure, Reagan on November 26 announced that as of December 1 former Senator John Tower, former Secretary of State Edmund Muskie, and former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft would serve as members of a Special Review Board looking into the scandal; this Presidential Commission became known as the Tower Commission. At this point, Reagan claimed he had not been informed of the operation. Despite a January 1, 1986 entry in Reagan's personal diary that stated "I agreed to sell TOWs to Iran," the Tower Commission, which implicated North, Poindexter, and Weinberger, amongst others, could not conclusively determine the degree of Reagan's involvement. Nevertheless on February 26, 1987 the Tower Commission rebuked President Reagan for not controlling his national security staff.

The United States Congress then on November 18, 1987 issued its final report on the affair, which stated that Reagan bore "ultimate responsibility" for wrongdoing by his aides and his administration exhibited "secrecy, deception, and disdain for the law." Oliver North and John Poindexter were indicted on multiple charges on March 16, 1988. North, indicted on nine counts, was convicted of three: lying to Congress, destroying an official document, and accepting an illegal gratuity. The charges were vacated upon appeal. Poindexter was convicted on several felony counts of lying to Congress, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and altering and destroying documents pertinent to the investigation. His convictions were also overturned on appeal on essentially the same grounds as North's.

Some people claim that the CIA and perhaps other parts of the US government may also have been involved with drug trafficking to raise money for the Contra campaign. The 1988 report from the Senate Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations concluded that various individuals in the Contra movement were involved in drug trafficking, that other drug traffickers provided assistance to the Contras, and that "there are some serious questions as to whether or not US officials involved in Central America failed to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war effort against Nicaragua." At a minimum, Oliver North's notebooks indicate that he was informed repeatedly of Contra involvement in drug trafficking, and there is no record of his passing this information along to the DEA.

On June 27 1986, the International Court of Justice (also known as the World Court) ruled in favour of Nicaragua in the case of "Military and Paramilitary Activities in and Against Nicaragua". The U.S. refused to pay restitution and claimed that the ICJ was not competent for the case, and subsequently vetoed a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling on all states to obey international law. The United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution (http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/41/a41r031.htm) in order to pressure the U.S. to pay the fine. Only El Salvador, which also had disputes with Nicaragua (and was run by a US-backed right wing military dictatorship), and Israel (which receives US$4 billion a year in aid from the U.S.) voted with the U.S. In spite of this resolution, the U.S. still elected not to pay the fine.

The Sandinistas lost power in fresh elections in February 1990, following a decade of U.S. economic and military pressure.

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Significance: The separation of powers
The Iran-Contra Affair is significant because it brought many questions into public view:

Does the president have unconditional authority to conduct foreign policy? (Can the president approve selling arms to a foreign nation without congressional approval?)
What information does the president have to provide to Congress and when should that information be supplied? (Does the president have to tell Congress about foreign policy initiatives?)
What authority, if any, does Congress have to oversee functions of the executive branch? (Does funding for foreign policy initiatives have to be approved by Congress? Who defines the entire spending budget and who regulates it? Is the provision of the 1978 Ethics in Government Act that creates the position of independent counsel answering to the Attorney General, constitutional?)
What role does the Supreme Court have in deciding conflicts between the legislative branch and executive branch?
How much support is America entitled to provide to armed opposition forces seeking to replace a government it does not support with one that it does?
Most, if not all, of the constitutional and ethical questions are still unresolved. On one view, it appears that if the legislative and executive branches do not wish to work together, there are no legal remedies. These are transient issues in that the executive and legislative branches change every few years.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 03:44 pm
gungasnake wrote:
dlowan wrote:


Yes, yes - on and on - but what has that to do with your defense of US sponsored terrorism and your condemnation of Kerry for exposing it?



My condemnation of Kerry???

Where have I condemned Kerry over this?


You said this (after your remarkably shallow and biased examination of the Iran Contra affair):

"Kerry claiming to have exposed anything nefarious in this picture is just more grandiosity and posturing on his part. Kerry is no hero and the whole world pretty much knows what he's about by now."

What exactly WAS that - if not condemnation?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 03:49 pm
Some info on the Somozas:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Somoza

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/somoza.htm
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 07:29 pm
dlowan wrote:

Quote:

Where have I condemned Kerry over this?


You said this (after your remarkably shallow and biased examination of the Iran Contra affair):
Quote:

"Kerry claiming to have exposed anything nefarious in this picture is just more grandiosity and posturing on his part. Kerry is no hero and the whole world pretty much knows what he's about by now."

What exactly WAS that - if not condemnation?



Anybody who'd call that a condemnation has a pretty thin skin.
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rainforest
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 09:09 pm
dlowan has eaten gungasnake alive!

LOL!

Wink
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Oct, 2004 10:12 pm
Burp...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 04:59 am
You guys want a condemnation of Kerry, try this:


http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 26 Oct, 2004 05:50 am
Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnn..........
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