Is Kerry in bed with Iranian hardliners?

CNS news is an organization run by some very partisan conservatives, and is known to completely fabricate stories.

So take it with a grain of salt.

Cycloptichorn

Are you kidding?!

The hardliners are in a torrid affair with Bush.

Look at the lavish gifts that Bush has given to them...

1) Getting rid of their arch-enemy without them lifting a finger or risking one of their troops.

2) Solidifying their base within Iran (with the US at their doorstep, dissent withing Iran is silenced, much as it was here after 9/11).

3) Diverting all attention to the quagmire in Iraq so they can develop their nuclear program. They are pretty confident that there is no possibility of military detterrent.

4) Giving a whole lot of power to the Shia community in Iraq, which is culturally and politically sympathetic to the goals of Iran's hard liners.

5) Consistantly providing great propaganda material for them.

Bush is the Iranian hardliners best friend. I sure hope they appreciate it.

Couldn't the same be said about the NY Times?


And isn't Kerry's plan with regard to Iran's nuclear capabilities (declined by Iran already), very similar to Clinton's approach to N. Korea?



And, hi, this is my first post.

Welcome Ticomaya.

To answer your question, no, the same could not be said about the NY Times.

In case anyone was wondering about Bush's position on Iran.... http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35912

Welcome Ticomaya...



salon.com credible? It's well known the EU want the same thing Kerry wants..



Why is it always on condition of anonymity? I suggest you go back and read the Open letter to John Kerry. There is one thing working with other countries and the IAEA, it is another when a Presidential candidate goes over their heads and directly contacts the Mullah hardliners underhandedly.

Salon.com is credible, especially the news wire stories of which that is one.



I read the open letter but I have yet to see it reported that 1: Kerry called Iran a democracy as the letter purports, and 2: that he contacted the Mullahs directly.

Is Kerry in bed with Iranian hardliners?


YES! They love each other dearly. They will likely wed in Mass. right after Kerry wins the election.

Hurry! Run to Home Depot and grab some plastic and Duct Tape. Lives are at stake here. You must act NOW!


(Not really. Sit back down. Just joshin' ya. That's what you were doing with your post, right?)

It was sent to the newspaper. I would imagine nothing is printed without the Mullahs knowing about it. And your right, until this letter, I haven't heard him call it a Democracy.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=696&e=2&u=/ap/20041019/ap_on_el_pr/iran_us_elections


Bush Receives Endorsement From Iran

Tue Oct 19, 6:33 PM ET

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - The head of Iran's security council said Tuesday that the re-election of President Bush (news - web sites) was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's axis of evil label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions over the country's nuclear ambitions.


Historically, Democrats have harmed Iran more than Republicans, said Hasan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, Iran's top security decision-making body.


"We haven't seen anything good from Democrats," Rowhani told state-run television in remarks that, for the first time in recent decades, saw Iran openly supporting one U.S. presidential candidate over another.


Though Iran generally does not publicly wade into U.S. presidential politics, it has a history of preferring Republicans over Democrats, who tend to press human rights issues.


"We do not desire to see Democrats take over," Rowhani said when asked if Iran was supporting Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) against Bush.

That was then, this is now.. Nobody before has done anything to fight them before either. They are mistaken if they think Bush is going to go backwards in time and act like we used to in responding to their attacks. That is why Osama called us "weak". We never did anything except blow up asprin factories or cut and run..

It's time to change that old strategy.. Time to take the fight to them..

They will not stop until every infidel is killed, we can't go back and live with a false sense of security like we had in the 90's. That ended on 9-11.

The one thing we can do is try to give the Middle East a chance to live without the boot of dictators on their necks. Is that so wrong? You think Saddam would not have helped them?

Why did the French oppose us? Wasn't because of their morals. Anyone ever heard of the oil for food fraud? It's no wonder they didn't want us to take him out. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

take a minute and read some excerpts:

The United States stood by for years as supposed allies helped its enemies obtain the world's most dangerous weapons, reveals Bill Gertz, defense and national security reporter for The Washington Times, in the new book "Treachery" (Crown Forum). In this excerpt, he details France's persistence in arming Saddam Hussein.

First of three excerpts

New intelligence revealing how long France continued to supply and arm Saddam Hussein's regime infuriated U.S. officials as the nation prepared for military action against Iraq.

The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.

"No wonder the French are opposing us," one U.S. intelligence official remarked after illegal sales to Iraq of military and dual-use parts, originating in France, were discovered early last year before the war began.
That official was careful to stipulate that intelligence reports did not indicate whether the French government had sanctioned or knew about the parts transfers. The French company at the beginning of the pipeline remained unidentified in the reports.
France's government tightly controls its aerospace and defense firms, however, so it would be difficult to believe that the illegal transfers of equipment parts took place without the knowledge of at least some government officials.
Iraq's Mirage F-1 fighter jets were made by France's Dassault Aviation. Its Gazelle attack helicopters were made by Aerospatiale, which became part of a consortium of European defense companies.
"It is well-known that the Iraqis use front companies to try to obtain a number of prohibited items," a senior Bush administration official said before the war, refusing to discuss Iraq's purchase of French warplane and helicopter parts.
The State Department confirmed intelligence indicating the French had given support to Iraq's military.
"U.N. sanctions prohibit the transfer to Iraq of arms and materiel of all types, including military aircraft and spare parts," State Department spokeswoman Jo-Anne Prokopowicz said. "We take illicit transfers to Iraq very seriously and work closely with our allies to prevent Iraq from acquiring sensitive equipment."
Sen. Ted Stevens, Alaska Republican and chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, declared that France's selling of military equipment to Iraq was "international treason" as well as a violation of a U.N. resolution.
"As a pilot and a former war pilot, this disturbs me greatly that the French would allow in any way parts for the Mirage to be exported so the Iraqis could continue to use those planes," Stevens said.
"The French, unfortunately, are becoming less trustworthy than the Russians," said Rep. Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania Republican and vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "It's outrageous they would allow technology to support the jets of Saddam Hussein to be transferred."
The U.S. military was about to go to war with Iraq, and thanks to the French, the Iraqi air force had become more dangerous.

The pipeline
French aid to Iraq goes back decades and includes transfers of advanced conventional arms and components for weapons of mass destruction.
The central figure in these weapons ties is French President Jacques Chirac. His relationship with Saddam dates to 1975, when, as prime minister, the French politician rolled out the red carpet when the Iraqi strongman visited Paris.
"I welcome you as my personal friend," Chirac told Saddam, then vice president of Iraq.
The French put Saddam up at the Hotel Marigny, an annex to the presidential palace, and gave him the trappings of a head of state. The French wanted Iraqi oil, and by establishing this friendship, Chirac would help France replace the Soviet Union as Iraq's leading supplier of weapons and military goods.
In fact, Chirac helped sell Saddam the two nuclear reactors that started Baghdad on the path to nuclear weapons capability.
France's corrupt dealings with Saddam flourished throughout the 1990s, despite the strict arms embargo against Iraq imposed by the United Nations after the Persian Gulf war.
By 2000, France had become Iraq's largest supplier of military and dual-use equipment, according to a senior member of Congress who declined to be identified.
Saddam developed networks for illegal supplies to get around the U.N. arms embargo and achieve a military buildup in the years before U.S. forces launched a second assault on Iraq.
One spare-parts pipeline flowed from a French company to Al Tamoor Trading Co. in the United Arab Emirates. Tamoor then sent the parts by truck through Turkey, and into Iraq. The Iraqis obtained spare parts for their French-made Mirage F-1 jets and Gazelle attack helicopters through this pipeline.

A huge debt
U.S. intelligence would not discover the pipeline until the eve of war last year; sensitive intelligence indicated that parts had been smuggled to Iraq as recently as that January.
"A thriving gray-arms market and porous borders have allowed Baghdad to acquire smaller arms and components for larger arms, such as spare parts for aircraft, air-defense systems and armored vehicles," the CIA said in a report to Congress made public that month.
U.S. intelligence agencies later came under fire over questions about prewar estimates of Iraq's stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. But intelligence on Iraq's hidden procurement networks was confirmed.
An initial accounting by the Pentagon in the months after the fall of Baghdad revealed that Saddam covertly acquired between 650,000 and 1 million tons of conventional weapons from foreign sources. The main suppliers were Russia, China and France.
By contrast, the U.S. arsenal is between 1.6 million and 1.8 million tons.
As of last year, Iraq owed France an estimated $4 billion for arms and infrastructure projects, according to French government estimates. U.S. officials thought this massive debt was one reason France opposed a military operation to oust Saddam.

The Iraquis know where their bread is buttered...