Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:38 am
NEVER HAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE elected as president a candidate with a record on national security issues resembling that of John Kerry. Consider some of the distinctive national security choices Kerry has made over the years.

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April 22, 1971: The American people have never elected president someone who, while serving in the military, chose to testify (in uniform) against a war his country was then waging. Lt. Kerry asserted before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that his country and his fellow service members were guilty in Vietnam of "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Indeed, Kerry asserted that the American military was "more guilty than any other body of violations of [the] Geneva Conventions." Kerry forthrightly rejected the bipartisan doctrine that had guided American foreign policy for a generation, deriding "the mystical war against communism." Kerry today remains proud of his testimony.

Fall 1984: The American people have never elected president someone who, in his first successful bid for federal office, chose to make support for a unilateral nuclear freeze and for major cutbacks in America's defense programs the centerpiece of his campaign. The freeze and the cutbacks would have weakened U.S.-European ties, emboldened the Soviet Union, and strengthened the hand of hardliners in the Kremlin. Kerry has never said that the position he took at this turning point in the Cold War was mistaken.

January 12, 1991: The American people have never elected president a senator who voted against an authorization for the use of military force, in this case in pursuance of a United Nations-approved policy to eject Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. Senator Kerry complained in 1991 that we were engaged in "a rush to war." It turned out that Saddam had been only months away from acquiring nuclear capability. Kerry now cites the first Gulf War as a success for the purpose of contrasting it with the recent one--but he has never acknowledged that his judgment in opposing that war might have been in error.

October 17, 2003: The American people have never elected president someone who voted against an appropriation to support troops fighting in a war he had approved. Contrary to misleading press accounts, such as this one from the October 8 USA Today, this was not a "typical Senate situation in which party members vote yes on their own version of a bill and then vote no on the other party's version." Fellow Democrat Joe Biden had cosponsored with Kerry an alternative supplemental appropriation that would have paid for the war by repealing part of the Bush tax cut. But when the alternative was defeated, Biden and 38 other Democratic senators, unlike Kerry, voted for the final bill. Indeed, Biden made the case for the president's proposal on the Senate floor. In fact, in the vote on final passage of the $87 billion, Kerry was joined by only 11 other senators, less than a quarter of his fellow Democrats. And of the 77 senators who had voted to authorize the war, only four--Kerry, John Edwards, Tom Harkin, and Ernest Hollings--now voted to deny the troops the support they needed. Kerry had himself said just a month before, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of cutting and running. That's irresponsible." His vote against the $87 billion was irresponsible. Today he says he is proud of that vote.

September 23, 2004: The American people have never elected president someone who gratuitously attacked a visiting leader, in this case Iraqi prime minister Ayad Allawi, after a speech to a joint session of Congress, when that leader's government was fighting terrorists on a day-to-day basis alongside American troops.

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Will the American people choose as president someone with John Kerry's national security record? They never have before.

--William Kristol

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:47 am
Re: Never
William Kristol wrote:
January 12, 1991: The American people have never elected president a senator who voted against an authorization for the use of military force....

Perhaps not, but they certainly elected a congressman who voted against an authorization for the use of military force.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:51 am
All this doesn't mean a whole lot. Had we ever elected a person as ill-prepared for the presidency as George Bush before 2000?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:32 am
How can you elect anyone who thinks a little terrorism is OK???

How can you elect a person who says he will increase taxes on anyone earning over 200K/yr KNOWING he pays about 12.5% on the million he and his wife earned??

How can you elect anyone who, knowing the above, does not call for the continuation of the Estate Tax KNOWING that it will save his heirs MILLIONS???

How can anyone elect a hypocrite like John Kerry?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 10:55 am
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How can you elect a person who says he will increase taxes on anyone earning over 200K/yr KNOWING he pays about 12.5% on the million he and his wife earned??


How can I elect someone who will raise taxes on himself? Why not?

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How can you elect anyone who, knowing the above, does not call for the continuation of the Estate Tax KNOWING that it will save his heirs MILLIONS???


You seem to forget that it was Bush and the Republican party who killed estate taxes, calling them 'death' taxes (nice move, Rove).

But an excllent attempt to shift blame, though, kudos to you.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:36 am
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How can you elect anyone who thinks a little terrorism is OK???


We elected Reagan... who when challenged about "terrorist" tactics the South American guerillas he supported used remarked--

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:43 am
Cyclo - He is NOT raising taxes on hinself. If you examine the Kerrys tax returns, you will see they made MILLIONS in invesment income and paid only 12% of that in income taxes. I do not judge him or his family from investing in tax free instruments, that is fine. I just point out the hypocracy in the statement.

RE: Estate Tax, yes I agree GW put it in and Kerry voted for it as part of the GW tax plan (which I will never support and I resent GW for the "elitist" package he forced through Congress). I find it again hypocritical to tell me that he will raise taxes on the rich but not keep the Estate Tax on the books.

Shifting blame??? No, just pointing out the facts as I see them. When I see a post that discusses GW's fiscal policy I will be the first to slam him.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:53 am
As much as I can remember, the American people have never elected a man who:

Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 01:44 pm
"Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court. "

Never argue with anyone who has no knowledge of the constitution.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:13 pm
George Bush is an incompetent moron who no more deserves to be re-elected than he deserves to be awarded a Nobel Prize for Phisics.

(Think Noocular!)
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:23 pm
72 - Number of posts Frank has made that uses the terms "Bush" and "Moron"...

Laughing
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:34 pm
MgC
Frank can recognize a moron when he encounters one. Should I wonder why you can not.?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:38 pm
au1929 wrote:
MgC
Frank can recognize a moron when he encounters one. Should I wonder why you can not.?


Far too many ways for me to get in trouble with this one!! Laughing
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 02:49 pm
An exercise in restraint.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 03:10 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
George Bush is an incompetent moron who no more deserves to be re-elected than he deserves to be awarded a Nobel Prize for Phisics.

(Think Noocular!)
I guess that means you won't be getting it for spelling either.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 04:47 pm
George Bush deserves a physic. It would take away many pounds of what he is full of.
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padmasambava
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 04:52 pm
Purge:

2 a : to cause evacuation from (as the bowels).

Never say never.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:02 pm
Did that one make it in McG's count Frank?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:50 pm
Only 72!

Damn...I've been going too easy on the moron.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 06:16 pm
That's just those two in conjunction Frank, I am sure if we included administration and some other pergerotives the number would increase!
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