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The Really Unfair Tax

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 11:41 am
The Really Unfair Tax
Bush wants to drop the "double tax" on dividends, but that's nothing. Wages withheld for Social Security may get hit three times, a burden on far more (less wealthy) Americans

When President Bush talks about his plan to stop taxing dividend income, he says he's doing it, in part, for philosophical reasons. "It's unfair to tax money twice," he said as he unveiled his economic-stimulus plan earlier this month. "There's a principle involved. The government ought to be content with taxing revenue streams or profits one time, not twice."But Bush was silent about the biggest double tax of all, one that hits every working American, not just the one-fourth of tax-return filers who report stock dividends. It's the income tax layered upon the portion of a worker's paycheck that is withheld to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes.


Bush wants to drop the "double tax " on dividends, but that is not the one that burdens most Americans.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030203-411439,00.html
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 11:44 am
My comment would be that the further "down" the income scale he descends, the more myopic the Shrub gets; of course, i recognize that in this, he differs little from those other conservatives who continue to cry out that taxes on dividends and inheritance taxes are unfair, and that tax cuts in these areas stimulate the economy--despite all evidence to the contrary.
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 11:57 am
au, I deleted the duplicate posting. The server has been a bit slow today, hence the duplication.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 12:04 pm
jespah
Thanks. I posted it and could not find it. Thinking it did not post i did a scond time. Again thanks
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 01:50 pm
au:

If you don't want to pay for Social Security and Medicare, the way to do so, is work for an organization ( State Gov ), that doesn't take out for SS .
Very simple! Shocked
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 01:52 pm
I personally think the tax on both dividends and interest is unfair. As is the marriage penalty and the death tax.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 01:54 pm
I think any tax I have to pay is unfair. All the other taxes are fine.

[The above summarizes the thoughts of most Americans re taxation, IMHO.]
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 01:56 pm
I'm surprised that the Democrats haven't found some way to tax the homeless for living! Very Happy
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:06 pm
New Haven
This is not about paying Social Security or Medicare. It is about being taxed twice on the same dollar. Bush contends that the reason that we should stop taxing dividends because it is double taxation. However he ignores the fact that the money taken out for those two items is taxed twice and in fact in many instances thrice.
I have come to the conclusion that Bush has no feel for the average American. Having been born in the lap of luxury and never experienced the hardships or even mingled the peons he just does not understand.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:08 pm
President Bush is a kind and warm soul of a man. Razz
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:09 pm
New Haven

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I'm surprised that the Democrats haven't found some way to tax the homeless for living!


Have you read the article?
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:19 pm
Until social security benefits exceed the amount paid in by an individual, the benefits sure look more like return of capital than income.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:32 pm
Many workers in the US pay into Social Security for the minimum amount of time so that upon retirement they'll have an extra check. The amount paid out to them for 25-30 years is in far excess ( often ) , relative to the amount paid in.

Also the medicare benefits are important to most Americans.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:32 pm
Roger

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Until social security benefits exceed the amount paid in by an individual, the benefits sure look more like return of capital than income.


The benefits are considered income by the IRS. Evil or Very Mad And depending on your other income may be taxed to the tune of 50 to 85 percent. That despite the fact that in all likelihood you were already tax twice on the same $.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:37 pm
I think that the interest compounded on accumulated SS funds, is what is the so -called "income". Interest earned is considered income, without regard to source. Shocked
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jan, 2003 02:40 pm
New Haven
In private industry workers pay every time they get a paycheck. In addition much of that double dipping you refer to is no longer allowed. If you worked for the Federal government that used to be prevalent but no more.

Yes, Medicare is very important and necessary and so is Social Security.
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