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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 07:19 pm
Why the hell come there isn't an economic system election where the citizens of the U.S. may get to vote to select what type of economic system they truely want?


Americans are so conformed to go a certain way--Don't you see this?! One might say that America has been confined to hold less liberty. Only together we the people can expand the liberty in this country.

There most certainly needs to be made a new bill or whatever that gives us Americans the voting power to be able to change the economic system. So inform your congressman or make some kind of petition or do whatever it is to bring about a day when Americans can vote to be able to change the economic system!

It shouldnt have to be a poor class of people among in America at all! If you the people are so intelligent then use your brains and make it so it doesn't have to be a poor class of people in United States of America. At least create an opportunity for people to be able to change.

My brain storming: Idea

Since I thought of an economic system election, such an election should be held on March 9th (my b-day Smile ) and be held like maybe 9 years apart.

For such a forthcoming economic system election the unfolding plans of newer economic systems may be introduced for the people of America to decide on.

This kind of economic system election will revolutionize the intelligence of people of America. The civil revolution will be televized!

On the ballot you should see and be able to choose:

socialism
communism
capitalism
etc.
etc.

Plus, there should be commericals for them just like those campaign ads to inform the people. And there should be debates held even by some kind of persons or teams acting as the representative for the particular economic systems.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 08:47 pm
There's no point.

About 90% of Americans agree that the economic system we currently have is pretty good.

We don't have a pure capitalist system (nor socialist nor whatever) we have a relatively free market system with regulation where needed. We allow people to gain and spend wealth, yet we use taxes to provide public education for all and aid for the those most needed (especially for children).

Our system is a mix of capitalism and socialism with a touch of communally owned organizations.

Most of us agree that this is the right thing. Our arguments are over the details.

Most of the screaming is little more than posturing to try to make a very small adjustment to a system we all basically agree with.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:44 pm
Re: Why come?
Sign Related wrote:
Why the hell come there isn't an economic system election where the citizens of the U.S. may get to vote to select what type of economic system they truely want?


Americans are so conformed to go a certain way--Don't you see this?! One might say that America has been confined to hold less liberty. Only together we the people can expand the liberty in this country.

There most certainly needs to be made a new bill or whatever that gives us Americans the voting power to be able to change the economic system. So inform your congressman or make some kind of petition or do whatever it is to bring about a day when Americans can vote to be able to change the economic system!

It shouldnt have to be a poor class of people among in America at all! If you the people are so intelligent then use your brains and make it so it doesn't have to be a poor class of people in United States of America. At least create an opportunity for people to be able to change.

My brain storming: Idea

Since I thought of an economic system election, such an election should be held on March 9th (my b-day Smile ) and be held like maybe 9 years apart.

For such a forthcoming economic system election the unfolding plans of newer economic systems may be introduced for the people of America to decide on.

This kind of economic system election will revolutionize the intelligence of people of America. The civil revolution will be televized!

On the ballot you should see and be able to choose:

socialism
communism
capitalism
etc.
etc.

Plus, there should be commericals for them just like those campaign ads to inform the people. And there should be debates held even by some kind of persons or teams acting as the representative for the particular economic systems.


I guess you don't get it that it is capitalism that has made the US the most powerful nation in the world. I guess you would rather have the US be a communist nation or more like France, which hasn't had a single major innovation in the last hundred years.


The US leads the way for one reason and one reason only; it is capitalism plain and simple.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 04:34 am
Ahh Baldimo,

Our system is not pure capitalism. It is a mixture. There are (and always have been) aspects of our economy that are not capitalistic.

Saying that capitalism is the foundation of our power is way too simplistic a view. Several times in our history we chose the non-capitalistic path -- and most reasonable people would agree that many times this was clearly the best choice.

Which of these anti-capitalistic parts of our economy would you do away with?

1. The Abolition of slavery.
2. The interstate highway system.
3. NASA
4. Public education
5. Government funded research in science and health
6. Public health (e.g. immunization programs)

And this is off the top of my head-- there are many more.

I would argue that all of these programs are vital parts of our strong economy and society.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 11:31 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Ahh Baldimo,

Our system is not pure capitalism. It is a mixture. There are (and always have been) aspects of our economy that are not capitalistic.

Saying that capitalism is the foundation of our power is way too simplistic a view. Several times in our history we chose the non-capitalistic path -- and most reasonable people would agree that many times this was clearly the best choice.

Which of these anti-capitalistic parts of our economy would you do away with?

1. The Abolition of slavery.
2. The interstate highway system.
3. NASA
4. Public education
5. Government funded research in science and health
6. Public health (e.g. immunization programs)

And this is off the top of my head-- there are many more.

I would argue that all of these programs are vital parts of our strong economy and society.


I would agree that our system isn't pure capitalism, but it is that foundation on capitalism that has pushed the country to perform great things. We would be where we are with out capitalism. Besides slavery none of the programs you mention would be possible without the capitalistic drive of American business. We wouldn't collect the taxes we do to fund any of those programs. When it comes to earning power, capitalism is the way to go.

I do think there should be more privatization of certain things. Private business does a better job of money management, and money drives the whole system. Govt has a tendency to waste money on silly things where business doesn't. Any company that would run the way our govt does would be bankrupt. If you don't have the income source you can't spend the money. When it comes to govt, instead of controlling spending they just raise taxes, instead of cutting back on things or even getting rid of projects like a business would.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 10:32 pm
Re: Why come?
Sign Related wrote:
Why the hell come there isn't an economic system election where the citizens of the U.S. may get to vote to select what type of economic system they truely want?


Americans are so conformed to go a certain way--Don't you see this?! One might say that America has been confined to hold less liberty. Only together we the people can expand the liberty in this country.

There most certainly needs to be made a new bill or whatever that gives us Americans the voting power to be able to change the economic system. So inform your congressman or make some kind of petition or do whatever it is to bring about a day when Americans can vote to be able to change the economic system!

It shouldnt have to be a poor class of people among in America at all! If you the people are so intelligent then use your brains and make it so it doesn't have to be a poor class of people in United States of America. At least create an opportunity for people to be able to change.

My brain storming: Idea

Since I thought of an economic system election, such an election should be held on March 9th (my b-day Smile ) and be held like maybe 9 years apart.

For such a forthcoming economic system election the unfolding plans of newer economic systems may be introduced for the people of America to decide on.

This kind of economic system election will revolutionize the intelligence of people of America. The civil revolution will be televized!

On the ballot you should see and be able to choose:

socialism
communism
capitalism
etc.
etc.

Plus, there should be commericals for them just like those campaign ads to inform the people. And there should be debates held even by some kind of persons or teams acting as the representative for the particular economic systems.


Sorry, but this is such an utterly naive suggestion that I don't know where to begin addressing it.

An essential element of the success of this country is the (relatively speaking) free market. There are simply no remotely comparable successes where controlled markets have been the rule. None, nada.

First of all you are asking for economic chaos if you propose a system in which every nine years the fundamental nature of our economy can change.
Compare our economy to that of Canada's. While Canadians don't specifically vote on what economic system they will adopt, their political choices are disparate enough that the effect is often the same. As a result they stagger along between intense central control to open markets.

Secondly, what you propose (thankfully) will never happen, and in the absolutely unlikely event that it does it almost certainly will destroy our economy and possibly our democracy and internal peace.

Do you think that enormously powerful corporations like WalMart or Microsoft are going to quietly abide by the will of the people in a vote on economic systems? Do you think that if the populace decides upon Communism that Bill Gates will happily turn over his multi-billion dollar company to The State? Of course he won't. The best possibility is that he and other CEOs will simply move their companies, lock stock and barrel to more sane locales. As a result, our economy would go in the toilet.

The worst possibility is that he and other powerful CEOs would use their money and its power to finance a coup.

There is no way that Capitalism in this country gets voted out by anything other than the absolute slimmest of margins. Therefore, if it did, we would have a nation more horrifically divided than in any time other than the 1860s when division based on slavery led to a civil war.

There is a reason no nation on earth has moved to communism through the democratic process.
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