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Anatomy of a Lie

 
 
littlek
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 05:57 pm
GREAT thread all!
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 07:51 pm
Re: Anatomy of a Lie
sozobe wrote:
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041006/capt.ny11710061727.debate_first_meeting_ny117.jpg


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 07:59 pm
Yeah, Edwards leaves a null impression.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 08:11 pm
nobody lied. everyone told untruths.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 08:39 pm
From "progress in Iraq" to "we have won" is very plausable and believable, but it's MHO that 18 months is too long of a wait to declare success.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:08 pm
I started the quote with, "You have one of the worst records..." The line preceding that was, "Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you 'Senator Gone.'"

Also dreck.

Edwards has been campaigning. Campaigning means he can't spend as much time doing senate stuff. Check. I quoted him in my first post saying:

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'I try to look at the votes and see what looks like it's important not only for North Carolina but also the country, and try to be there for those votes,' Edwards said.

He said he believes that his constituents ultimately benefit from the time he spends running for president.

'It is important for the perspective of North Carolinians to be in the national debate,' he said.


That was undoubtedly true of Bush, for example (campaigning rather than governing) in 2000. Can look for cites on that.

Here's what I found on "Senator Gone":

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N.C. newspaper gets anonymous plug in VP debate
10/7/2004 10:31 AM
By: Associated Press


(SOUTHERN PINES) - A North Carolina newspaper got an anonymous plug from Vice President Dick Cheney in his debate with the Democratic vice presidential candidate, John Edwards.

Cheney chided Edwards during the debate with the barb that his hometown newspaper has called him "Senator Gone," because the Raleigh Democrat has been running for the White House for over a year instead of staying in Washington.

That newspaper is the small daily in Southern Pines called The Pilot. Edwards grew up nearby in the Moore County town of Robbins.

The Pilot criticized Edwards in an editorial in June 2003, saying Edwards "is becoming known as Senator Gone."

Editor Steve Bouser said he wrote the editorial and notes the newspaper itself never called Edwards by that name.

Bouser says Cheney's reference wasn't accurate, especially since the term was used one time in an editorial that appeared 15 months ago.

An editorial in Wednesday's issue of The Pilot thanked Cheney for the plug and said it's proud to count the vice president among its readers.


http://rdu.news14.com/content/headlines/?ArID=56478&SecID=2

Brought to mind by this, on another thread:

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My guess would be that they want a Senator that will be around to work on state issues instead of being gone all the time. Didn't a local paper that supported him refer to Edwards as MIA?
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 7 Oct, 2004 09:12 pm
non-partisanship be damned - GO SOZOBE!
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Magus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:06 pm
Soundbites... scripted with the intent of manipulating perception... need not concern themselves with TRUTH.

Cheney's verbal snub/sneer was calculated to appeal to a certain significant demographic... the IGNORANT.

It appears that the bush/CHENEY faction have decided upon a strategy of EXPLOITING the Ignorant.

Considering the breadth of that demographic, it seems to be an asset the Cabal finds invaluable.

That strategy has been successful... up 'til now.

;-)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:12 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Yeah, Edwards leaves a null impression.


McG, you're not defending your vp candidate by attacking his opponent, are you?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:27 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Yeah, Edwards leaves a null impression.


McG, you're not defending your vp candidate by attacking his opponent, are you?


I would never dream of doing something like that.

I have been to many, many dinners, banquets, etc, and trust me, you don't remember people you meet. Especially when you do it all the time.

Edwards left no impression on Cheney. Understandable.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:29 pm
...and of the other two times?
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:34 pm
Cheney didn't leave much of an impression in the Senate either, as he only showed up twice in the last 4 years to preside over the Tuesday sessions as president.
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Magus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 02:59 pm
I get the impression that one is a non-entity to Cheney... unless one carries a valise full of currency or Bearer Bonds.

Remember Edwards' reference to Cheney's management of Halliburton, and the inquiries re: questionable business practices?

To the Corrupt and Unethical Businessmen ("Pragmatists"), bribery, extortion and intrigue are just "business as usual".

Cheney has demonstrated himself to be the penultimate Businessman... but hardly unimpeachable.
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 8 Oct, 2004 03:07 pm
Blogs Abuzz with Gossip in Caustic U.S. Campaign

17 minutes ago

By Mark Egan

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. presidential campaign between George W. Bush and John Kerry (news - web sites) has prompted a frenzy of gossip and conspiracy theories among Internet bloggers, hybrid online sites that blend news, gossip and opinion.


As Bush and the Massachusetts Senator slug it out in a neck-and-neck race ahead of the November 2 election, partisan bloggers have flooded the Internet with alternative views about both candidates, which they hope will help sway voters.


Experts say much of the gossip on the Internet is as loony as supermarket tabloid stories claiming Elvis Presley lives, but that it still has a role to play in the campaign.


"Blogs probably pretty accurately reflect the level of polarization and paranoia and frustration among everyday Americans that the entire campaign reflects," said Vanity Fair media critic Michael Wolff, characterizing the new form of overtly-biased journalism as "the voice of the mob."


After Tuesday's debate between Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and Kerry's running mate Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites), blogs quickly refuted Cheney's claim that he never met Edwards, posting a picture of the two together within moments of his statement.


And ahead of Friday's second debate between Bush and Kerry, the Internet was abuzz with gossip that the president wore a listening device during last week's debate allowing an unseen puppet master to whisper cues and tips in his ear.


The Bush campaign said that rumor -- likening the president to Milli Vanilli, the infamous singing duet unveiled as frauds for lip-syncing -- was totally false.


"It's a laughable, left-wing conspiracy theory," said Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel.


Online magazine Salon.com on Friday examined the morass of "evidence" offered on myriad blogs and concluded, "As for whether we really do have a Milli Vanilli president, the answer at this point has to be, God only knows."


Driving the latest incendiary blogging is a picture posted on the Internet of Bush during the debate in Florida. Shot from behind, the image shows what appears to be a bulge beneath the president's suit jacket below his shoulder blades.
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