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Elections in Germany update:No turn to the right, after all!

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 09:57 am
I find the story of the emerging "Democratic Left" party fascinating, myself. I've been collecting bits and pieces from news stories about it from the moment the possibility was first mentioned, wanting to bring it to this thread sometime, but just never found the time.

The "Democratic Left", for those who havent caught up, is the newly patched-together alliance between the PDS, the party of East-German former communists, and the WASG, the party of disillusioned trade unionists and assorted leftists who are "cobbling together their own SPD without Agenda 2010", as one newspaper put it. Talk of an alliance was triggered when the WASG went from 0 to 2,2% in the North-Rhine Westphalian elections despite lack of money or well-known candidates.

Well, the latter problem sure has been solved now. In a "Return of the Titans" set-up, Lafontaine will head the new alliance (formally a renamed PDS that will open its lists for WASG representatives), which is being forged in torturous negotiations now, together with Georg Gysi. Gysi was the one charismatic leader the PDS ever had, who led the party to successive gains in the 90s before giving up over the party's un-reformability.

Today is both these men's big chance - and their last one, too. Two men out to get their personal revenge, before turning definitively too old? Or a unique opportunity for an aging PDS and budding WASG to jump over their own shadows - and create something Germany hasnt known in fifty years: a country-wide party of the far left in Parliament?

If Oskar and Georg's project will indeed make it (big), that would make a European trend.

First, the French (mostly Trotskyite) far-left garnered enough support in 2002 to push the mainstream Socialists' leader, Lionel Jospin, into third place in the presidential elections; without the 10% of the vote that went Trot and the 11% that went to other far-left candidates, Jospin didnt have enough support to get past Le Pen anymore.

The result was echoed in this year's French referendum on the European Constitution, with Communists, Trotskyites and nationalist leftwing Socialists playing a pivotal role in the "non", leaving the mainstream Socialists looking lost.

In Holland, the (once upon a time Maoist) Socialist Party fulfilled the same role. With a campaign strongly emphasising national sovereignty, it played a decisive role in rallying a leftist vote against the European Constitution, to match the opposition against it in far-right circles. The SP has benefited proportionally in the polls, rising from 9% to 15% in the course of two months - its best ever poll result.

On a sidenote, there was Galloway and his Respect! party, giving New Labour a black eye in London's Eastend and almost in Birmingham Yardley as well. And now Oskar and Gysi in Germany?

If they do get significantly over 5%, it would be sensational - and if that helps bring the mainstream Socialdemocrats down to a record low, we're talking watershed moment. All in all, we'd be talking a rebirth of red politics, to the left of the Socialdemocrats, in West-Central Europe.

The return of Marxism-Leninism it is not, but after a decade or two in which you had only the post-materialist Greens left of the moderates - and them going ever more pragmatic/liberal at that - it signals the return of the reds. Who would have thought?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 04:09 am
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 05:52 am
New Infratest opinion poll:

CDU/CSU 45%
SPD 27%
Democratic Left/PDS 9%
Greens 8%
FDP 7%

Looks like, weirdly, the emergence of the Lafontaine/Gysi list is hurting the CDU, which lost a few percent, rather than the SPD, which stayed unchanged (at its record low). Perhaps it is drawing anti-government protest voters, who so far had little alternative but to opt for the right-wing opposition?

All in all 52% for the right, 44% for the left. The big news, furthermore, is CDU leader Angela Merkel's jump in personal popularity; she is now the most popular of the party leaders with 63%, ahead of Joschka Fischer (58%) and Schroeder (51%). Doesnt look like the "her or me" campaign Schroeder was said to be betting on when he called these early elections is going to work much ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:15 am
New ZDF Politbarometer opinion poll.

Its a bit confusing, they always have these two things: numbers on "the political mood" and numbers on what people would vote "if there were elections next Sunday".

In terms of the political mood, it's 45% for CDU/CSU (down 2), 24% for SPD (down 2) - and 11% for the new leftwing party of PDS and WASG.

Which, btw, is not going to be called Democratic Left after all, but instead "the Leftist Party" - if and when two-thirds of PDS members (or cadres?) agree next month, which is not at all sure. Otherwise the whole thing would still fall through, which would be a dumb thing for the PDS folks to cause, considering the graph below tracking the development of the political mood. After all, the 11% compares with 5% for the PDS last time (plus 3% for the WASG).

Finally, the Greens are at 10% (plus 1) and the FDP at 6% (minus 1).

All in all, the right-wing parties are down 3% and the leftwing parties up 2%, but that still leaves the right-wingers ahead with 51% versus 45%.

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/img/23/0,4145,2515319,00.jpg

Now, to complicate matters here's the results of the "what you would vote if the elections were next Sunday" question:

CDU/CSU 44% (no change)
SPD 27% (-2)
Greens 9% (+1)
Leftists 8% (the PDS used to have 5%)
FDP 7% (no change)

That's 51% for the right as well, and just 44% for the left.

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/img/26/0,4145,2515322,00.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:26 am
Well, I think this poll (these polls) will change over the weekend, since the CDU "announced unofficially" (= muzzle by Merkle) to highen up the VAT.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2005 03:03 pm
According to Spiegel online the Neo-Nazi party NPD has sent some of its members as "spies" to the new left party.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 04:42 am
A veteran Social Democratic legislator in the state of Baden-Wuerttemburg defected to take up the cause of the new Leftist Party, says Yahoo News. Ulrich Mauer, the party's former regional head, said he was joining the left alliance because it was "the only chance" to stop the advance of the center-right.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 05:43 am
Quote:
28.06.2005

Germany Takes Shaky Route to Early Polls
The head of Germany's ruling Social Democrats has called on his party's members of parliament to abstain from the upcoming vote of confidence, that would ensure federal elections will be brought forward by a year.

The head of Germany's ruling Social Democrat Party (SPD) Franz Müntefering has asked his party's members of parliament to abstain in this Friday's vote of confidence in parliament, the first step towards dissolving the parliament and paving the way for early federal elections. This would demonstrate that the chancellor no longer has majority backing within his own coalition government.

Chancellor Gerhard Schröder himself had announced his desire for early elections after a landslide victory for the opposition Christian democrats in Germany's most populous federal state and long a SPD stronghold, North Rhine-Westphalia, last month. The humiliating defeat prompted the chancellor, by his own admission, to seek a new mandate for his government's unpopular economic reforms.

Although Müntefering will still have to persuade parliamentarians to abstain, it looks almost certain that this will be the way the ruling Social Democrats will comply with the chancellor's wish to have early elections on September 18 this year.

Abstaining is the best solution

An earlier suggestion according to which Social Democrat cabinet ministers would have had to abstain from voting has meanwhile been thrown overboard. That solution would have come across as too much of a political farce
However, Müntefering's proposal could also appear ridiculous, if implemented, with the ruling coalition likely to push through a series of bills on Thursday with a stable majority. But senior SPD member Gernot Erler defended the plan.

"If some 200 MPs from the SPD abstain from the vote, it should be easier for the federal president to see that early elections are supported by a strong majority," said Erler. "This move would not be as tricky as forcing a couple of Social Democrat cabinet members to abstain. So, I think this is the best solution to pave the way for dissolving parliament."

Will the Greens play the game?

German president Horst Köhler will have to give the go-ahead for dissolving parliament, should the chancellor lose the vote of confidence as planned. The SPD's junior coalition partner, the ecologist Greens, haven't decided yet whether they're willing to play along.

"The idea of having early elections wasn't ours to start with," said Claudia Roth, the Greens' party co-leader. "But since this is the wish of the chancellor, we'll try and not stand in the way, also considering the strong wish for early elections among the population."

According to Roth, the Greens MPs may also abstain from voting. But it was still too early to say what they will actually do.

"It's been common practice in our party to first debate things thoroughly within our parliamentary group," said Roth.

An artificial confidence vote?

Uncertainties will remain on the bumpy road to early elections. Even if President Köhler agrees to dissolve parliament, the Social Democrats may trip over the legal aspects of their political gamble. Müntefering's proposal may raise the eyebrows of judges at the Federal Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe.

Some smaller parties, which are not represented in the federal parliament, have already announced they plan to take the matter before the Karlsruhe court. They don't believe it's legitimate to bring about an artificial vote of confidence and rig its outcome in advance, while at the same the ruling government adopts bills with a stable majority of its own. But the SPD's Erler doesn't accept such arguments.

"We're confident that with our planned procedure, the likelihood of early elections being accepted by the Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe will increase," said Erler. "Certainly, the option of having a couple of cabinet ministers demonstrate they don't support the chancellor anymore isn't very convincing, considering that they've worked closely with Schröder day in day out."

Hardy Graupner (sac)
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We'll know a bit more by tomorrow, and then have to wait for the Federal President's decission.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:01 am
Another new (Forsa) poll has

the CDU/CSU down 2% to 47%
the SPD stable at 26%
the Leftist Party up 2% to 11%
the Greens stable at 7%
the FDP stable at 6%
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 03:32 am
Schönbohm droht Lafontaine mit Beobachtung durch Verfassungsschutz
(Schoenbohm [Brandenburg Minister of the Interior] threatens Lafontaine with monitoring by constitutional protection agency)


Because of Lafontaine's one remark, two weeks ago, that "The state is obliged to prevent that family fathers and women become unemployed, because foreign workers take away their work places for low wages."

This is apparently considered a near-illegal remark to make in Germany. (Though admittedly, Lafontaine complicated things by using a controversial word for "foreign workers" ("Fremdarbeiter") that some associate with the Nazi era.)

Lafontaine himself claims he was just talking about - well, foreign workers working for low wages - in developing countries as well as here - which means employment insecurity for German workers (including Turkish-Germans, etc) here.

Pretty much standard fare for some politician or other to say in most other European countries.

I find this bizarre. I mean, the reaction. The Greens and SPD have been hitting him on that one word for two weeks now. The Germans are obviously still stuck where we were in the 90s: "no, you cant possibly even mention that, just dont speak about it, dont anyone say anything about it, if we all just act like there arent people grumpy about this issue, then perhaps it will just disappear.

Yeah, or perhaps those grumpy people will head in increasing numbers to the NPD.

I'm telling you: declaring any vaguely xenophobic talk verboten wont make xenophobia disappear - it will make it fester underground - and then suddenly explode. You'll get a charismatic politician sometime who'll suddenly get 17% of the vote like Fortuyn did here too. You gotta talk about these things. How are you going to persuade people to not vote NPD or DVU by telling them only that, you know - they just shouldn't feel that way, they're bad people for feeling that way? Yeah, thats gonna make them regain their affinity for mainstream politics.

Here, this Schoenbohm fellow too (the Minister of the Interior of Brandenburg), repeats what Greens said before him: "The Socialist Lafontaine obviously seeks his voters also among the neo-nazis". Uhm, yeah. And that's bad?

Wouldn't it be a good thing to persuade current NPD voters to vote something else instead? Wouldn't it be a good thing if a leftist party would succeed in stopping the bleed of working-class voters to the far right and offer them a home on the left instead? You know - by addressing some of their concerns, without luring them into the full package of fascism like the NPD does?

Every vote less for the far right is one, as far as I'm concerned - I dont get how addressing current NPD voters is supposed to be bad. Oh my god, he's trying to win the votes of people who now vote far right! Ehm, yeah, and the alternative is to declare anyone who ever switched to DVU, NPD or Reps politically contaminated and never to be talked to / addressed / tried to win back again? Sounds like the sure-firest way to incrementally boost their numbers to me.

I think the Greens especially are being hysterical about this. I dont myself for a moment agree with any closed-border policies. But I understand all too well why Dutch working-class people are apprehensive and resentful about all the change and insecurity wrecked in their lives the last decade or two, three. I wouldnt want my party, the Green Left, to throw the programmatic steer around and vie for their votes on that topic - I feel at home in a party thats avowedly multicultural. But those people deserve political representation too! If thats what they're concerned about, then there should be some politicians in parliament talking about it! And I would personally much, much rather have those politicians be Lafontaine in Germany and Socialist Marijnissen in Holland, who at least address those concerns within the context of welfare state preservation, and without any actual ambition to "make Holland/Germany white again", than leave those voters alienated and eventually resorting to the only politicians who will talk about their feelings - the pied pipers of the far right, who will appeal to those feelings to make bona fide fascists out of those people.

<mutter, mutter>
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2005 05:18 am
nimh wrote:


Because of Lafontaine's one remark, two weeks ago, that "The state is obliged to prevent that family fathers and women become unemployed, because foreign workers take away their work places for low wages."

This is apparently considered a near-illegal remark to make in Germany. (Though admittedly, Lafontaine complicated things by using a controversial word for "foreign workers" ("Fremdarbeiter") that some associate with the Nazi era.)

Lafontaine himself claims he was just talking about - well, foreign workers working for low wages - in developing countries as well as here - which means employment insecurity for German workers (including Turkish-Germans, etc) here.

Pretty much standard fare for some politician or other to say in most other European countries.

I find this bizarre. I mean, the reaction. The Greens and SPD have been hitting him on that one word for two weeks now. The Germans are obviously still stuck where we were in the 90s: "no, you cant possibly even mention that, just dont speak about it, dont anyone say anything about it, if we all just act like there arent people grumpy about this issue, then perhaps it will just disappear.


Actually, every democratic party has said some opinion against this remark, including some members of the PDS.

'Fremdarbeiter' isn't (or wasn't, until Lafontaine used it differently) definately associated in Germany with the Nazi term and only used either by neo-Nazis or Luddites.

Yesterday, the Fedral Office for the Protection of the Constitution announced that the new party will be observed (since the PDS, which is observed since its foundation, is part of it).
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 05:59 am
New Inframap poll shows almost no change - compared to a week ago, the Christian-Democrats and Greens are both down a point and the Leftists are up one.

Compared to two weeks ago the Christian-Democrats are down two, the Socialdemocrats are down one and the Leftists are up two.

CDU/CSU 44%
SPD 27%
Leftists 10%
Greens 8%
FDP 7%
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 03:52 pm
In last Saturday's Volkskrant (yes I found one), H J Schoo writes about "The Dilemmas of Wouter Bos", the Dutch Labour Party leader.

But wait, it's relevant:

Quote:
[..] the Labour Party was beaten badly in the referendum about the European Constitution. Especially the lower-educated part of the Labour Party's electorate voted "no" in overwhelming majority. That demonstrated the Labour Party's vulnerability to inroads by the Socialist Party, the 'winner' of the referendum. [..]

In a surprising analysis in Socialism & Democracy, Paul Kalma relativates the necessity of saving the lower classes for social-democracy. It's true his article is about the competition the SPD is now expecting in Germany from a new 'left-populist' formation, which the radical ex-minister of Finances Oskar Lafontaine allied himself with recently. But the parallel with Holland is all too clear.

Following the German politicologist Franz Walter, Kalma observes that West-European social-democracy is losing the support of the lower classes to right-wing populist parties. The message and style of a party like the SPD no longer appeal to socio-economically ill-faring voters. That's the bad news. The good news is that left-populist parties, with their more common-folk approach, can reach those politically homeless left-wing voters. Leftist populists prevent the right-wing, 'bourgeois' camp from incorporating the vote of the lower classes.

Translated into the Dutch situation: better Marijnissen (of the Socialist Party) than Fortuyn, rather a left-wing than a right-wing populist. Better, too, diversity and mutual debate in the Left than a forced striving for unity. Labour, Green Left and Socialists are not each others opposites, but in principle complement each other nicely. If each of them cares for a part of the left-wing voters, they will all in all increase the left-wing vote. [..]

[But] The programmatic and strategic dilemmas Wouter Bos now faces turn out to be immense. What voters does he target, what coalition does he strive for, with what programme? His own populism thus far has mostly remained stylistic.

Only reluctantly does he approach what a really populist programme would entail: preservation of the welfare state and rejection of multiculturalism (including a restriction of immigration). Almost three-quarters of all voters has a preference for this combination, but there is no party that offers it - not even the Socialist Party. That party stands for the 'peace of mind of the welfare state', it's true, but has gone soft on the count of immigration. As of yet, the left-populist party Walter and Kalma envision is not there yet.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2005 07:29 pm
from what i have read in the german on-line news, i gather the suggestion by the cdu/csu to increase the VAT is hurting them quite badly. particularly the FDP -their possible partner - thinks it will drag the economy down badly.
as an aside, some american politicians are starting to talk - quietly - about the introduction of a VAT in the united states. it may start the next civil war ! only half joking.
i understand that economists are hoping that the introduction of a VAT - together with reduced taxes for savings income - may get americans to start saving again. only last week an economist claimed that americans have a "negative" savings rate.
watch and be surprised. hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 12:33 pm
German President Horst Köhler has just (at at 8.15 pm/2015) local time[1815 GMT] announced late that he will dissolve parliament to pave the way for an early general election this fall (October, 18) after Chancellor Gerhard Schröder purposely lost a confidence vote.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2005 01:17 am
Quote:
German leftists become east's leading party

By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Published: 30 July 2005

A new radical German leftwing party has alarmed its mainstream rivals by becoming the strongest political force in the unemployment-blighted east, only weeks after being officially launched in time for September's general election.

The Linkspartei, or Left Party, was inaugurated in mid-July, but an opinion poll yesterday showed that in the former East Germany the organisation had already outstripped Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's ruling Social Democrats and the opposition conservatives.

The poll, published by the Leipziger Volkszeitung newspaper, suggested that the Linkspartei would win 33 per cent of the vote in the east compared to 27 per cent each for the SPD and the conservative Christian democrats headed by Angela Merkel, who remains the favourite to win in September.

The Linkspartei, which came into being earlier this year, is a merger between the successor organisation to the former East German Communist Party and renegade former Social Democrats who recently left Mr Schröder's party in protest against its economic reform programme.

Its election campaign front-runners are the former finance minister "Red" Oskar Lafontaine and Gregor Gysi, a leading member of the former reform Communist Party for Democratic Socialism.

Both men enjoy huge popularity in eastern Germany, where they are viewed as champions of the region's 20 per cent unemployed. They favour a return to "social justice" through higher wages for workers and higher taxes for the rich.

The sudden success of the Linkspartei is causing concern to conservatives and Social Democrats. Officials in Mrs Merkel's party have called for a new political offensive which will underline the conservative leader's East German roots. Mr Schröder has reacted by publicly castigating the new Linkspartei and Mr Lafontaine for his use of far right language at campaign rallies. He has categorically ruled out any future alliance with the organisation.

But the party has already managed to add a new element of unpredictability to the German election. There are fears that if the Linkspartei continues to make such gains, neither of Germany's main parties will win enough votes to secure a comfortable majority.

The upshot could be a coalition of conservatives and Social Democrats. Yesterday's poll suggested only 30 per cent of Germans favoured such an outcome.

A new radical German leftwing party has alarmed its mainstream rivals by becoming the strongest political force in the unemployment-blighted east, only weeks after being officially launched in time for September's general election.

The Linkspartei, or Left Party, was inaugurated in mid-July, but an opinion poll yesterday showed that in the former East Germany the organisation had already outstripped Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's ruling Social Democrats and the opposition conservatives.

The poll, published by the Leipziger Volkszeitung newspaper, suggested that the Linkspartei would win 33 per cent of the vote in the east compared to 27 per cent each for the SPD and the conservative Christian democrats headed by Angela Merkel, who remains the favourite to win in September.

The Linkspartei, which came into being earlier this year, is a merger between the successor organisation to the former East German Communist Party and renegade former Social Democrats who recently left Mr Schröder's party in protest against its economic reform programme.

Its election campaign front-runners are the former finance minister "Red" Oskar Lafontaine and Gregor Gysi, a leading member of the former reform Communist Party for Democratic Socialism.
Both men enjoy huge popularity in eastern Germany, where they are viewed as champions of the region's 20 per cent unemployed. They favour a return to "social justice" through higher wages for workers and higher taxes for the rich.

The sudden success of the Linkspartei is causing concern to conservatives and Social Democrats. Officials in Mrs Merkel's party have called for a new political offensive which will underline the conservative leader's East German roots. Mr Schröder has reacted by publicly castigating the new Linkspartei and Mr Lafontaine for his use of far right language at campaign rallies. He has categorically ruled out any future alliance with the organisation.

But the party has already managed to add a new element of unpredictability to the German election. There are fears that if the Linkspartei continues to make such gains, neither of Germany's main parties will win enough votes to secure a comfortable majority.

The upshot could be a coalition of conservatives and Social Democrats. Yesterday's poll suggested only 30 per cent of Germans favoured such an outcome.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2005 01:57 pm
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5458/spiegelunfrage10pd.jpg

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2371/spiegelunfrage22qv.jpg

Source (in German)

Seems now, we are heading towards a 'great coalition' (built by the SPD and the CDU/CSU) Shocked
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 4 Aug, 2005 07:40 pm
walter : thanks for the update ! even though it's now been 49 years since we crossed th big pond, i'm still interested in german politics. we recently were given a copy of the "spiegel" special issue (april ?) simply called "germany". there is enough to read in it for the nxt several months. do you know if there was an issue in german also ?
what really puzzles me is that the unemployment problem simply does not seem to go away. i think it started under chancellor kohl and is still bedeviling germany. i just hope it does not cause serious harm to the german social fabric.
i questioned my brother-in-law why people that really have no chance of ever finding a job - i understand it is mainly a problem for people over 50 years of age living in the eastern provinces; is that correct ? - are not given a pension . it seems keeping them on the unemployment rolls doesn't do anyone any good. i also read that about every two years a commission is formed to study the problem and come up with suggestions on how to deal with it; but does anything really ever change ? hbg

i guess it keeps the commision members off the unemployment rolls. it seems similar to so called "royal commissions" in canada that are set up to advise the government of canada. i understand the reports fill most of the rooms of the canadian government - gathering dust.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 04:01 pm
I saw this poster today:

http://portal.1und1.de/images/074/1208074.jpg


Weird, in a way. The SPD campaign attacks the proposal of rising the VAT (and taxes, in general), while the conservative parties keep stating that there's no way around it....
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Abdullah ha
 
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Reply Tue 9 Aug, 2005 04:50 pm
well don't you recognize that earth isn't goin to last long with all of the taxes, and other po;itical issues are disturbing the people..... for example bread and sugar's prices are risng, what should the poor say, or shall they dies in front of us!!! these poor people are human they are your brothers that are diying each day from hunger!!! well why doesnt the government see this people are dyin while the government is takin care of the rich people ONLY...
didn't teach us equality in life!!!
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