Love it or leave it - #12 & 35 - Bullshivics

I'm with you on this, Edgar.

Unfortunately, American conservatives are the most vocal about a desire to "preserve" American rights...but they apparently have almost no idea of what American rights are...or how they can, and should, be used.

They're the same way about Christianity. The LEAST Christian people I personally know are found among the poor deluded souls who describe themselves as Christian conservatives.

guys, they are full of something.

not true american patriotism, as in love of their country and what it stands for. and certainly not what their saviour taught.

this type of person can whip up verbatims for days. but they do not understand what the words mean.

thank you, evelyn wood.

It's symptomatic of the greed that has taken over the nation. When you teach our children that money is the most important thing in life, Republicanism is the result; a political philosophy that holds the dollar as the bottom line, and has little patience for the problems of those who are not willing to fall in step with it's plans.

It's sickening, really. Truly.

Cycloptichorn

Appeasers. I forgot that to disagree with tough macho kill'em all now talk and action is to be an appeaser. Perhaps even a traitor.

Just a true thread not only on American politics, but America as a whole. Hopefully we will one day be able to look on this dark point in history and know that we made a change for the better. It's my one hope for the future of our country.

On topic, there is nothing more unAmerican than the failure to listen to the opposite side. It was what our country was founded on, think of the great ones throughout history. Fredrick Douglas, Patrick Henry, John Kennedy. . . All of them wanted what's right for our country before themselves, instead we have a bunch of me-first politicians running the country looking out for only their power and their ability to give their backers what they want. In essence, they have sold out not only our country, but also their souls to make them even more powerful and untouchable. It's not only a travesty, but it will go down as one of the darkest moments of our country, an utter failure in democracy brought about by the fear and death campaign but on by the Bushies. Utterly disgusting.

I share your disgust, Joe.

What's troubling to me is the ever troubling fact that demagogues are often successful.

The worst effect of the fact that Bush is an appointed president, is that it has created the illusion that he is both incumbent and and an underdog.

If he can somehow show that he can actually win one (for the Gipper I suppose) that somehow he will have proven he has won our hearts.

I don't think he is an underdog with the media applauding him as much as they do. The notion is half correct.

The Bush types are having their way just now, but even they would fear the overwhelming rejection of voters and would stand down if voters demanded it. What I fear is four or ten or twenty years down the road if they are allowed to have their way according to the trend. By then they may be ensconced so thoroughly that the coup will be complete. No third parties on ballots, both parties carbons of the government's blueprint.

The threat to third parties is the Democrats. They have been trying like gangbusters to remove Nader off of the ballot. When I say gangs, I mean like the Mafia working over competition.

The threat to third parties is apathy.

You don't agree that the Dems have been trying to keep Nader off the ballot?

You don't agree that apathy is the great threat to third parties? A non apathetic public would give third parties a spot on the ballot rather often. No one could keep them off the ballot when deserving.

I was going to start a third party once, but I couldn't be bothered.

WE don't give a ****.

edgar is completely on point here. It's the apathy of the voting public that keeps the US under the yoke of railroading politicians on both sides. Wake up already, defenders of the free world who seem incapable of dealing with social issues.

Any fool knows that either party will try to block a third party they find threatening. Today it's Nader and the Dems; some other election ...

I think the blocking started after Perot took out Bush Sr. That was when they came up with the arbitrary polling requirements for participation in the debates. If a candidate is not in the debates, he is not going to be considered at all by most of the voting public. I think that no matter who wins this election, the climate is just right for the emergence of a viable third party -- but it will have to be a new one because folks already discount the existing ones.

For a third party to do well nationally, it will have to be a true grass roots movement with a charismatic leader. To survive it will have to get results fairly quickly.