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True conservativism

 
 
Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2004 12:29 pm
Cycloptichorn on a different thread asked: "When was the last time you saw a real conservative asked to join a discussion in network primetime. <--- "

It reminded me of an article I read last night about Bush style conservatism. not so keene

These are places in his policy that "go against the conservative grain" pointed out in the article.




He has endorsed altering his own proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage to permit civil unions, a position now virtually identical to that of almost every Democratic presidential candidate this year -- save for the reckless approach of tinkering with the Constitution to establish the marriage vs. union distinction.


He hasn't shown the guts to back a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, and is curiously quiet about abortion, an issue he says the country "isn't ready" to address. (And here I thought this president leads from his heart, regardless of polls or popularity.)


He first supported protectionism for the steel industry in 2001, angering steel purchasers, then flip-flopped on the tariffs issue in 2003, angering steel producers.


He championed the extension of farm subsidies to the point where the federal government now doles out more money to agribusiness than the industry generates in tax receipts, making it a net-loss industry on welfare that's supported by the taxpaying public.


He opposes the re-importation of prescription drugs made by U.S. pharmaceutical companies, a position that conflicts with the very free-market principles he pretends to espouse.


He supported attempts by the Federal Communication Commission to consolidate the major media, a position that is both anti-competitive for the media markets as well as the marketplace of ideas broadcast by those media.


His No Child Left Behind education-testing initiative epitomizes the sort of federal mandate that normally gags the "states' rights" crowd, a boondoggle for testing companies that does little more than force state administrators to learn what they already know -- namely, which schools in their state are performing well, and which are not.


His Medicare prescription program represents the largest expansion of the fastest-growing portion of the federal budget -- so large, in fact, that the Administration had to lie to its Republican allies in Congress about the measure's actual cost estimates to get them to vote for it.


He seriously underestimated the costs of the Iraq war, and the oil revenues that were supposed to pay for a reconstruction that our taxpayer dollars are instead subsidizing, forcing him to ask for an additional $25 billion in war funding beyond the $87 billion previously appropriated.


As a collective result of several of these actions, this year Bush proposed the largest budget deficit in American history.


Now I'm not trying to start a "Why Bush sucks" thread but I do want to know:

What is a TRUE conservative these days?

For that matter What is a True liberal/progressive?

Are these terms legitamate anymore? Have we "Big Tented" ourselves, to a point where the individual parties are really meaningless, and have just become names for us to spit venom at?

or something... Razz
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2004 12:46 pm
In my opinion 'true conservatives' are those who support those values proven to be good for people and for the country - in other words they 'conserve' the traditions and mores that strengthen a society and promote the common welfare and give the best potential for success, productivity, freedom, and happiness.

Within that framework conservatives can hold widely opposing views. While most members of Congress describing themselves as conservative are probably pro life, for instance, you will find many who would not require others to adopt that position. Ditto for many other hot button issues out there.

What most 'true conservatives' do agree on is that the private sector is encouraged to do all those things that cannot be done more effectively and efficiently by the government, and the local governments do those things that are more responsive and beneficial to their constituencies than would be as a 'one size fits all' policy of federal government. Most true conservatives do believe that the traditional family is the strength of the local community and the nation and policies should encourage and strengthen it. Most true conservatives do believe in keeping the strict intent of the Constitution, appreciate patriotrism and national pride, believe the best hope for peace is a military strong enough that nobody will dare mess with us, free trade/open markets is the best route to prosperity for all, whether or not one is a 'believer, faith and charity have an important place in the well being of the community, and the goal should always be excellence rather than acceptance.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2004 01:11 pm
Actually, that was Federal asking that question. I was merely responding to it.

Cheers tho.

Cycloptichorn
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2004 09:20 pm
Fox:

Or do they "Conserve" the ideas that keep a narrow elite in power?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 07:09 am
Only if the elite supports the values conservatism embraces.
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