Don't ask me, I do not have an answer for that one. Duran minimally was not right for that particular fight.
It's one thing to move up weight divisions when you're 20 years old and your body is still growing, but Duran moved up two weight divisions starting from age 29 after dominating lifhtweights for about a decade, which is theoretically impossible, and on the night after his thirtieth birthday beat Ray Leonard up so badly in Montreal that Leonard looked like the midnight special ran right over him. Ask yourself how Leonard or Ray Robinson for that matter would have fared against a version of Duran their own size.
Don't ask me, I do not have an answer for that one. Duran minimally was not right for that particular fight.
It's one thing to move up weight divisions when you're 20 years old and your body is still growing, but Duran moved up two weight divisions starting from age 29 after dominating lifhtweights for about a decade, which is theoretically impossible, and on the night after his thirtieth birthday beat Ray Leonard up so badly in Montreal that Leonard looked like the midnight special ran right over him. Ask yourself how Leonard or Ray Robinson for that matter would have fared against a version of Duran their own size.
IMHO, the top 10 Heavyweights of all time, in order:
1. Muhammad Ali: Aside from losing 3 prime years fighting our government (& winning, BTW, in a unaminous decision by the US Supreme Court), winning 2 outta 3 against Joe Frazier in bouts ranking among the best of all time, "upsetting" the 2 baddest heavyweights of his (or any) era, Sonny Liston and George Frazier & being the ONLY heavyweight to regain the universally recogized championship 3 separate times, Ali was the fastest, smartest & most versatile heavyweight student of the "sweet science" ever, period. Beyond that, he's probably the most universally well-known sports figure in history, ever, period.
2. Joe Louis: The Brown Bomber held the title the longest & wouldda given Ali a run for their $ had they fought in the same eras.
3. Rocky Marciano: The only undefeated heavyweight ever.
4. Jack Johnson: An awesome force in his era.
5. Jack Dempsey: The Manassas Mauler was an indestructible primal force until beaten by one of the most underrated, and best students of the sport, Gene Tunney.
6. Joe Frazier: Had he boxed in any era but Ali's, he'd have been better recognized for his greatness. Even in defeat, Frazier kept coming at his opponent relentlessly.
7. Larry Holmes: Perhaps the most underrated heavyweight in history, he completely dominated the heavyweight division for nearly 10 years.
8. Mike Tyson: In his prime, he absolutely kicked the sh*t outta all the best in his division.
9. George Foreman: See 8. <Until he got psyched out by the master in Zaire.>
10. Gene Tunney: See 5. Next to Ali, maybe the most cerebral heavyweight ever.
all things equal and each in their peak conditin
Ali or Tyson?
Ali...sort of...just because rope a dope might have been the key to outlasting Iron Mike.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:all things equal and each in their peak conditin
Ali or Tyson?
On the night Tyson fought Michael Spinks with D'Amato and Kevin Rooney in his corner, my money'd be on Tyson. That was the last time the world ever saw the real Mike Tyson.
Ali took punches from everyone he ever fought. He wouldn't have handled Tyson's... no one could. Hell, Foreman would have wasted Ali if the ref had not allowed all the head-holding.
next question...for a million dollars...would you stand flat footed and take Tysons Sunday punch?
Nope. I don't think I'd live... or at least ever walk again.
we are in perfect agreement........it is the season of miracles after all....
We're still in agreement.
Hmmmmm, a million bucks? How about one round? Going just one round with Tyson or Ali on his best day. Do you think you could survive it? Three minutes. (or is it two minutes?)
I'd take the one round with either of them, probably be unconscious just about as fast, but as long as I was still being paid for being knocked out (pros do, why shouldn't I?), I'd have to do it. I'm a pretty durable guy and my reaction time isn't half bad... it was the flat footed part that spelled doom.
eoe wrote:Hmmmmm, a million bucks? How about one round? Going just one round with Tyson or Ali on his best day. Do you think you could survive it? Three minutes. (or is it two minutes?)
am I allowed to run?....... and cry?
When I was in jr. high, a friend of mine was convinced he could give Tyson a fight, as long as he got the first punch in. Yea, he was around 12. Not the brightest.
For a million, I'd take my punch like a little bitch.
no way I'd do it....I'm tough, but I'm too small....just not enough ass to do it...
