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Poetry: Composition and Appreciation

 
 
oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 1 Feb, 2005 05:23 am
Dear Piffka,

The Boy Scouts might be called as "capitalist young pioneers", the counterpart of Chinese young pioneers, which preach "Be ready anytime, fighting for communism". Well, communism is scientifically unpractical.

Rhinoceros are also living in Asia, please check out your AHD.     And, Fossils suggested there were rhinoceros in Zhong Yuan (central China), and the images of rhino appeared on Chinese bronze ware. These remind us of that there abounded with rhino in ancient China.

In "Futility of war vs. keeping clear-headed in battle", I inclined to the former, so you've won a narrow victory. Very Happy

I think Wang Chien is Wang Jian (王建, about AD 767 - 831), one of the famous poets in Tang Dynasty, who might be one of Bai Juyi's friends when he was in Chang'an (the capital of Tang) and used to write poems on the subject of soldiers and wars.

Best,
Oristar
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 1 Feb, 2005 11:50 pm
Dear Oristar,

I am sure you must be right about Wang Chien being Wang Jian. I think all the names in this book are of the old spellings and I am going to have trouble not being confused. I have determined that Bai Juyi's name is spelled Po Chü-i in my old Arthur Waley book. His poems warrant their own section and comprise the largest part of this book, but can you believe it? The Song of the Pipa is not here. Maybe Bai Chi-yi the same as Po Chu'i or Bai Juyi (Pai Chu-i, Bo Juyi, Po Chü-i)?

You are funny -- the Boy Scouts as Capitalist Young Pioneers? Very Happy Most of the time I think the Boy Scouts spend hiking and camping or planning to hike or camp. But the Young Pioneers must "Be Ready Anytime, Fighting for Communism?" That doesn't sound like nearly as much fun.

Communism is scientifically impractical? That's the first time I've heard it described that way, but I believe you. People don't seem to want to work unless they feel they are amply rewarded and most want the freedom to choose what they do and the confidence to invest their money. The regimentation inherent in communism may, at first glance, seem more scientific than the hodge-podge that is capitalism... yet in the end, capitalism is the better motivator. I think. Is that what you mean or were you thinking of something else?

AHD = The American Heritage Dictionary? I don't have one -- I have the OED, Oxford English Dictionary, but don't think it would give me much information. I do have a complete set of the Encyclopedia Brittanica, but it is downstairs, so I googled Rhinoceros and found these very interesting bits of information:

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The three Asian species are the Sumatran (Dicerorhinos sumatrensis) which has been exterminated in much of its original range with only 400 remaining, the greater Indian rhino (Rhinoceros unicornis) which numbers only about 1,900, and the Javan rhino (Rhinoceros sondaicus) which is one of the world's most critically endangered species and may only number 75.


That means only 2,375 Asian rhinos remain alive. Shocking that we humans are so good at exterminating other species.

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The rhinoceros horn was considered one of the Eight Treasures, a collection of objects which serve as symbols for good things. Rhinoceros horns symbolize happiness and in conjunction with the pine tree's symbol of long life, this cup is wishing the owner a long and happy life.


Nice to wish the humans long life, but I guess it didn't do much for the rhinoceros. Of course, now I wish to find out what the other seven treasures are.*

Here's a beauty!
http://vandyck.anu.edu.au/work/teach/context/www.colby.edu/art/AsianArt/images/china/11.gif

I think it is funny to imagine me "winning" by pointing out the futility of war. Thanks for my "narrow victory." You won on Science vs Art, but that was a much broader victory, so I'm not sure we are yet square. Wink

Best,
Piffka

This is a nice poem by Po Chu'i or Bai Juyi (Pai Chu-i, Bo Juyi, Po Chü-i) 772-846





*Is this right?
Eight Precious Things, also known as the Eight Treasures, or babao in Chinese, are auspicious symbols of good fortune. They often occur as a complete or partial set as decoration on ceramics from the Yuan dynasty and on. Sometimes they are combined with other auspicious motifs. They also occur individually as porcelain base marks. Red ribbons makes each a charm.

http://www.gotheborg.com/glossary/bild/eightpt.gif

They are from top left:
Jewel or "pearl"
Cash coin - emblem of wealth
Open Lozenge - used in ancient times to ornament a headdress. Sometimes as the Fan Sheng (double lozenges) symbol of victory.
Pair of Books - symbol of learning, ward off evil spirits. Sometimes a Painting, as a symbol of the fine arts, culture, and one of the Four Signs of the Scholar.
Mirror (Solid Lozenge) - promotes unbroken conjugal happiness and counteracts evil influences
Musical Jade Stone Gong (Qin), is a ministerial emblem and a symbol of the exercise of discrimination and of felicity
Pair of Rhinoceros Horns - represent happiness.
Artemisia Leaf - wards off sickness, has healing properties and is a symbol of felicity.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 3 Feb, 2005 04:54 am
Dear Piffka,

When transliterating a Chinese name into English, there would be many versions. Just like transliterating Piffka into Chinese, we would get a bunch of versions. As only as a version sounds similar to the original, it is a correct one*. So both Bai Juyi and Pai Chu-i are correct. Whether or not other versions are proper, see the rule above.

(* But the internationally famous name should be fixed. For example, Tsung Dao Lee - Chinese-born American physicist. He shared a 1957 Nobel Prize for disproving the principle of conservation of parity. We'd better not transliterate the name as "Li Zhengdao)

Chinese Young Pioneers are also used to enjoy a summer camp or organized to hike, and they are tongue-in-cheek on crying "Be Ready Anytime, Fighting for Communism". Because they are demanded by Chinese bureaucracy to shout out the slogan.

The communism, neither its philosophical base (dialectic materialism), nor its practical theory actually holds water. I appreciate what you've said. If you are interested in, I'd like to discuss with you in PM. The basic point against the communism is that it is never possible to realize the system of "distribution according to needs", which is the core of the communism.

Yes, AHD = The American Heritage Dictionary, which defines "rhinoceros" as "of Africa and Asia".

There is no official definition for the Eight Treasures or Babao, which in fact depends on your favor or appetite. For example, the popular Chinese food Babao Fan (eight-treasure rice pudding) is made out of sticky rice, longan, lotus seed and other 5 delicious ingredients (whatsoever, only if that are yummy or nutritious); Babao Cai:eight-treasure pickles; a Babao Box (jewel case) contains a variety of jewels, not necessary 8 jewels. So "Eight Precious Things, also known as the Eight Treasures, or babao in Chinese" are all right, only if you enjoy them! Very Happy

Bai Juyi's The Dwarfs of Tao-Chou has a Chinese subtitle as: Beautiful subjects encounter their wise emperor.
Here is its Chinese version:

「道州民-美臣遇明主也」白居易

  道州民,多侏儒,长者不过三尺馀。市作矮奴年进送,
  号为道州任土贡。任土贡,宁若斯,不闻使人生别离,
  老翁哭孙母哭儿。一自阳城来守郡,不进矮奴频诏问。
  城云臣按六典书,任土贡有不贡无。道州水土所生者,
  只有矮民无矮奴。吾君感悟玺书下,岁贡矮奴宜悉罢。
  道州民,老者幼者何欣欣。父兄子弟始相保,
  从此得作良人身。道州民,民到于今受其赐,
  欲说使君先下泪。仍恐儿孙忘使君,生男多以阳为字。

Best,
Oristar
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 12:41 am
Dear Oristar,
Thanks for explaining about the different versions of the same name. I had to smile at the thought of translating "Piffka" into Chinese. That would be something. Certainly it is right, if someone like Tsung Dao Lee has become famous for his name to be set (I assume that is his preferred spelling, too), yet all of these poets are famous?

I am glad that the Young Pioneers are more interested in hiking & camping than politics. It is funny to think of them willing to say whatever is necessary to keep the government happy, but what an odd position to be in for a child. I am, of course, interested in discussing anything with you. I had not heard of communism as "distribution of need" and am not sure exactly what that means. At least, I know that in the capitalist system, need is mostly self-determined and based a lot on what someone wants. I thought your country had relaxed its perceived need to oversee its citizens and that you have been given much more freedom than your parents might have felt. I hope that is true.

I am still amazed that there were rhinoceroses mentioned in these ancient poems. That would be like having wooly mammoths mentioned by Chaucer... and the idea of using their hide for armor! All shocking. I wonder if any of the rhino hide armor is on display in a museum somewhere.

Here is something amazing -- I purchased another older book at that book sale that mentioned Eight Treasures but as it was a recipe book, I didn't connect it with the Babao treasures. What a coincidence! I will have to look into that book more carefully. It is called EIGHT IMMORTAL FLAVORS by Johnny Kan from San Francisco's Chinatown. He describes the eight flavors as: Hom (salty), Tom (bland), Teem (sweet), Seen (sour), Foo (bitter), Lot (hot), Heong (fragrant) and Gum (golden).

I like the subtitle for the poem about the Dwarfs of Tao-Chou. It surprises me how few Chinese words are needed to tell the story compared to the long-winded English version. I wonder, is Tao-Chou a real place in China or could this be a reference to those unusually small people whose ancient remains were found near Indonesia? Here's a link, in case to the strange news last fall about the homo floresiensis:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6346939/

I think that the governor showed such kindness and humanity in his words used to convince the emperor. That should be a well-loved poem.

I hope this finds you well and looking forward to a pleasant weekend.

Best,
Piffka

edited because I was sleepy & made some mistakes
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 01:11 am
Interesting writing, folks!

Oristar, your English has come on "by leaps and bounds" since I last saw you in print. Congratulations.

I'll try to find time to read back into some of this stuff. You folks evidently enjoy writing it.

I'm going over to Germany to see Walter next week, so am trying to brush up on my German.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 08:35 am
Dear Piffka,

Tao-Chou is nowadays Tao County (or Dao County of southern Hunan Province). Its homepage: http://www.dx.gov.cn/. It is a shame that Tao County govt hasn't offered its English version for the homepage. Yang Ch'ëng(753~805), his refusal of dwarf slaves tribute was an important historical event happened in AD 789, the fifth year of Zhenyuan Period of Tang Dynasty.

Mr.Yang Ch'ëng was born in a poor family. In his childhood, his parents were too poor to afford him to school, so he had to serve
in the Lili Academy of Scholarly Worthies as a servant, and he caught the chance to read books diligently. Six years later, he had mastered classical works and history, and was good at writing poems and articles. In AD 783, the fourth year of Jianzhong Period of Tang Dynasty (emperor: Tang Dezhong), he was entitled as Jinshi (Imperial scholar; pseudo-doctoral degree; metropolitan graduate), and appointed as "left grand master of remonstrance" (the counterpart of the official is "right grand master of remonstrance"). In AD 789, he was demoted as Tao-Chou governor because he impeached a powerful official, Pei Yanling. Tao-Chou people were suffering miserably from "Dwarf Slaves Tribute" when he went there to take the governor post. The horrible tribute originated from Sui Dynasty (581-618). When the emperor Yang of the dynasty ordered local officials to offer the court eunuchs, Tao-Chou officials presented him a short, smart and eloquent Xiucai (Certified Students; pseudo-bachelor degree), named Wang Yi. And the emperor treated Wang Yi as his favorite pet, teasing him, making a toy of him. Since then, the "Dwarf Slaves Tribute" was set as a custom. It was called as "Ren Tu Gong"("offering of natural products") in Tang Dynasty, and Tao Chou people were hence greatly tortured and extorted by it. Mr.Yang Ch'ëng risked his political life to tell the emperor the truth, who was deeply moved and annulled the inhuman tribute. Of course, the romantic Bai Juyi was also deeply moved, so we have now the chance to read the excellent poem which highly praised Mr.Yang Ch'ëng's feat.Very Happy Afterwards, Mr.Yang Ch'ëng resigned and withdrew from the world because he could not hand in scot in time at the exact amount thus he got scolded several tims by his boss.

Surely, Bai Juyi is famous, "but all of these poets are famous, right? " Hmm, those who we talk here are all famous, doubtlessly?

Chinese textbook tells Chinese students:

Capitalism: A system of "dog eat dog"; a system of exploitation of man by man.
Socialism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
Communism: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The definition of captitalism looks apparently twisted by communists. Okay, now please tell me if you've got the idea of "distribution according to one's needs."

Regarding rhino remains in a museum, maybe one day we would come across it. Very Happy

Best,
Oristar
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 11:27 am
Hi McTag,

You are right. Oristar and I have been having (well, at least *I* have been having) a great time discussing everything from poetry to rhinoceroses. Very Happy This is my favorite thread.

If it weren't for his expertise in Chinese culture, I would quickly forget that Oristar is not an American writing in his native language. Well, not completely true, he is always much nicer than my average countryman. Wink

Have a great time visiting with Walter.

Wishing I could be traveling too...
Piffka
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 12:57 pm
Dear Oristar,

I am amazed to think of Mr.Yang Ch'ëng learning so much in just six years... all the while performing the undoubtedly hard work of being a servant. I wonder if his background helped him to empathize with others and that is how he was able to see through the cruelty of the dwarf slave tribute.

It is sad to think that the ancient Chinese emperors considered themselves so far above all others that slaves would ever be part of their households -- of course, I am not blaming China in particular. Every culture has had slaves in their history. My country had a very shameful period of slave ownership that was finally abolished less than 200 years ago. It is astonishing to me how any person could be part of such inhumane treatment and not recognize its evils.

I went looking for more information about the poem and found it is listed on the website http://www.humanistictexts.org/ -- a place where literature from around the world and from many time periods has been brought together to show when people first began to work towards the ideals of humanism. I thought you'd be pleased... several Chinese poems are included.

I started searching for Dao County but became waylaid by the amazing features of China and found a photograph of the beautiful Detian waterfall near Guangxi. Have you been here?
http://www.chinahighlights.com/casean_expo/image/detian_waterfall.jpg


I do understand a little about the distribution according to one's need -- but how is that to be determined? Who can know what another person needs? In some ways the Chinese text definition of capitalism is correct. Luckily, we don't have a true laissez-faire capitalism in this country. Capitalists are held back by many laws and regulations and were taxed heavily until George Bush came along. Otherwise, the distribution of wealth would quickly become even less fair that it is... and it is not very evenly distributed now. Since the 1950's, the wealthy in the United States have gained much more than the poor. Of course, money begets money. If you have it, you can invest. It is an odd situation because without the wealthy, the arts could never flourish. Artists need patrons or at least people who will purchase their work and demand newer, better, different work. If we all could only buy cotton, then none of us would know the joys of silk.

I think that the common people are only kept happy because the distribution of goods continues to expand. We can all purchase an astonishing variety of products, often faux versions of the glamorous products of the truly wealthy. Should we care as long as we remain content?

To me, one of the real stars of capitalism, American-style, is Bill Gates. Although he was born to a moderately wealthy man, and therefore had many privileges and a fine private education, he has created an astonishing world via Microsoft. Not only that, he seems to feel it is important to give back to the world. He and his wife have given huge amounts to charity and say that they will continue to do so... that their children will be adequately provided for, but that the main part of their fortune will be given away. Another is the Swedish man, Ingvar Kamprad, who started IKEA and has since given his fortune to a foundation to improve the environment. These are real heroes.

I believe that if our world continues to become a world not just of individuals but of corporations, it will be good if we can encourage all corporations to adopt responsibility as one of their goals in the same way that we humans have learned (are learning...) to treat them with respect. There is a small group who have been trying to do just that by what they call "eliminating the doctrine of shareholder primacy." They want to add this following clause as a requirement for all corporations to adopt along with the duty of corporate directors to make money for shareholders:

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... but not at the expense of the environment, human rights, the public health or safety, the communities in which the corporation operates or the dignity of its employees.


This website explains this much better -- http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2002/02july-aug/july-aug02corp4.html

Best,
Piffka
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 6 Feb, 2005 08:50 am
Dear Piffka,

Most likely Yang Cheng's humble beginning set the course for his character and motivation later in life, just like "honest Abe", who was born in a poor family and later greatly helped the final abolition of slavery of the US.

Thanks for recommending the humanistictexts site. I'll take time to try to read through it,

Well, there are many beautiful landscapes in China so that you would be waylaid around. Very Happy Detian waterfall is cool, but I've not been there. http://www.remoteclub.com/UploadFile/2004-6/200462123776.jpg

You've brought forward a crucial "evidence" to show that the distribution according to one's need is impossible. "Who can know what another person needs?" The question is involving the source from where our human consciousness originates. We all know our consciousness or mind is from our brain, and especially from the cerebral cortex of forehead. But the mechanism of human's mind is still beyond the grasp of anatomy and any other means.

William H. Calvin, a professor of UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON, had a quotation in his book How Brains Think:

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Human consciousness is just about the last surviving mystery. A mystery is a phenomenon that people don't know how to think about -- yet. There have been other great mysteries: the mystery of the origin of the universe, the mystery of life and reproduction, the mystery of the design to be found in nature, the mysteries of time, space, and gravity. These were not just areas of scientific ignorance, but of utter bafflement and wonder. We do not yet have all the answers to any of the questions of cosmology and particle physics, molecular genetics and evolutionary theory, but we do know how to think about them.... With consciousness, however, we are still in a terrible muddle. Consciousness stands alone today as a topic that often leaves even the most sophisticated thinkers tongue-tied and confused. And, as with all of the earlier mysteries, there are many who insist -- and hope -- that there will never be a demystification of consciousness.
Daniel C. Dennett, Consciousness Explained,


We are now terribly ignorant about human consciousness. With the ignorance, the realization of the system of "distribution according to one's need" will be always in the air, because the demystification of consciousness seems beyond the foreseeable future. Even if one day we demystify it, but what is the origin of the origin of the consciousness? And what is the origin of the origin of the orgin...? Without the true mastery of the very origin, our fate will not be totally in our own hands, and our desire will never be satisfied. Distribution according to our needs? No way.

The American social system is still flawed, but it seems much better than the Chinese. Just take a look at the so-called North Korea's socialism, which is now as the same as 1960-70s Chinese socialism. People there are deeply fooled by their dictator. They are horribly poor but still crying "The whole world all envies us."

Bill Gates is one of the most successful entrepreneurs and a wonderful philanthropist. I highly respect the true hero in your mind.

That is absolutely right: "...but not at the expense of the environment, human rights, the public health or safety, the communities in which the corporation operates or the dignity of its employees."

Best,
Oristar
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 12:09 am
Hi McTag,

Thanks for your comment.

It is weird that I could just now see your message here. When I read Piffka's reply to you, I scrolled the screen up and down twice and found your post in nowhere. So I guessed that you might have talked to Piffka in PM, or some mod of A2K might have purposely hidden it. But I don't know why (s)he wanted to doing so.

May your German come on "by leaps and bounds." Very Happy
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 12:25 am
oristarA wrote:
Hi McTag,

Thanks for your comment.

It is weird that I could just now see your message here. When I read Piffka's reply to you, I scrolled the screen up and down twice and found your post in nowhere. So I guessed that you might have talked to Piffka in PM, or some mod of A2K might have purposely hidden it. But I don't know why (s)he wanted to doing so.

May your German come on "by leaps and bounds." Very Happy


My guess is, you were so wrapped up in your philosophical discussions with the lady, you just had no eyes for me. Smile

My last foreign trip was to Hong Kong, did I tell you? I had a lovely time there, on my own, but seeing my cousin in the evenings.
Flying to Germany on Wednesday.

Sorry no culture from me, just trivia and personal chit-chat.

Best wishes, McT
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plebian
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 12:44 am
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 01:20 pm
Well that's a tough one to crack.

Something is lost in the translation, I fear.

Plebian, check your settings.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Mon 7 Feb, 2005 03:23 pm
Dear Oristar,

I have been trying to think of how brains think and realize that thinking about thinking is difficult. Very Happy How can I take myself out of that equation long enough to understand it objectively? You say that without knowing the origins of consciousness, we'll never be able to control our fate. A religious person would turn to their God, a scientist would keep trying, a person like me says... do we have to control our fate? Isn't it enough to enjoy our short lives as best we can?

It was Descartes who four hundred years ago said "I think, therefore I am." Both concepts, thinking and being, are still filled with mystery despite us doing those very things day in, day out. We know what we are (or else, possibly we are butterflies Cool ), but how humans came to be (and why) are still beyond our grasp. In the same way we know we can think about anything... but why?

The scientist you quoted says that many don't want that mystery to be disturbed. That made me laugh. Not only does the entire question seem nearly impossible to figure out, but then someone says do not try to think about it at all! Once again people seem to be their own worst enemy.

Albert Einstein said this about consciousness... "A human being is part of the whole, called by us "universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences his thoughts and feeling as something separate from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal decisions and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

I am astounded that the Koreans think the entire world envies them. That is very sad. Are you sure?

Best,
Piffka
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oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 09:29 am
Dear Piffka,

What you said -- "Isn't it enough to enjoy our short lives as best we can?" stands close to my heart. Very Happy

Still, the standpoint doesn't mean that we have been satisfied in all aspects. The so-called "our short lives" is a part of the life of our universe. Einstein has inspired us greatly in this question: Free ourselves from the personal prison and to embrace the living universe.

So we would like to continually think about the mechanism of human's consciousness. Although we might not finally demystify it, but we'll be more close to it.

I think most of the travellers visiting NK are Chinese. Some of them told what they experienced in NK. People there call their dictator as "Gold Sun" that bestowes upon our planet with sunshine. How shameless it sounds! I am not surprised to hear that because in 1960-70s Chinese people did the same to Chinese dictator and had a strong illusion that the whole world envied China. Very Happy (Here is a pic taken from one of HK' farm produce fair. It looks funny, but really sad. Because NK strictly censors any pics taken from NK. They might have thought that the pic could reflect Korean people's good standard of living -- "In NK, there is no such a noun called unemployment!" But just the reverse is true.
http://www.china727.net/china/dprktp/dprkxw/prshch.jpg )

Best,
Oristar

PS. To McTag,
Yes, you told me that you traveled to HK.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 8 Feb, 2005 12:47 pm
Dear Oristar,

Living our lives happily means different things to different people, doesn't it? For some, it is having enough to eat, for others it is keeping their calories down and their bodies slim, and for a few others, it is knowing that everyone has enough to eat. Of course, since everyone does not have enough to eat, those few are never really happy.

The ways to determine the mechanisms of the brain are similarly scattered and each also has its own validity. Some scientist are trying to solve the mystery by measuring the chemicals of the brain. Others, think it can be discovered by how people react to experimental questions, and there are a few who say that our seemingly invisible consciousness can only be understood philosophically.

A year ago, I attended a short series of lectures on learning bird songs. The scientist who led the talk amazed us with his experimental findings -- that the ability to learn a bird song (by a bird) was linked to hormones which caused certain parts of both the bird's brain and the bird's throat to enlarge & change during the course of the seasons. Timing was everything -- it could only happen during a certain short period in the age of the young bird and the ambient light and temperature of the air had to be just right. Each bird baby needed to learn from a male of its species (which had previously been taught in the correct way). Both needed a specific set of hormones in a certain order that could enable them to teach and learn. Each needed to be healthy, well-fed, and living in the proper environment. (Do I need to say that in order for this to be figured out, many birds needed to be "sacrificed" on the altar of science?")

Despite the scientists' understanding of the mechanism (and this was for just one species of songbird), there was still no way to understand why it had come to be in such a way. We say they evolved, but that is just as a word. The more we know, it seems, the more questions need to be asked.

Can we learn anything from those birds? Our children also need to be taught at the proper times in their development. Their teachers need to be available. The culture needs to be stable and the environment healthy. Of course we know that because of our short lives, this passing on of information is vital in order for our species to continue.

So our minds can be observed from the process of education. Or, our thinking can be observed from a comparison with other animals. That professor, William Calvin, has become (among other things) an expert on great apes and how their thinking processes compare to ours. Do they create internal maps of their surroundings? Do they think ahead? Do they recognize death? How do they teach their young? We know that they are different from us, but how different and in what ways are they similar?

We can also view our thinking processes from the freeform patterns of our dreams and our creativity. Those are an extraordinary window into the connections that exist within our minds, a weaving of memories and experiences with emotions and, some say, a genetic set of iconic symbols inherent in each of us. All these ways to look at ourselves are very interesting and leads us to better ways to teach, to heal and, in the end, to be happy. But will it ever make us understand what a single individual needs?

Apparently, the leader of NK has stronger needs than most of us. Can you imagine being called "Golden Sun" by an entire country, especially when that country is neither golden nor sun-kissed? False promises and a false identity are, I think, the signs of either mental illness or criminal behavior. Perhaps what he really needs would be found in Hollywood where, if he were truly popular, he could receive the accolades bestowed on a movie star. What of the North Koreans themselves -- Have they lost touch with reality? Are they saying these things because they know nothing different? We can look at the lessons from the songbirds and wonder if the education of an entire country was warped at a crucial stage in their lives.

Thanks for sharing that photograph. It is sad. It makes me wonder if there is anything we can do to help or whether, like the Chinese, they must help themselves.

The English romantic poet, Percy Bysshe Shelley, wrote an ode to a songbird that to me is appropriate here. These are the last few stanzas of To A Skylark:

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... We look before and after,
And pine for what is not:
Our sincerest laughter
With some pain is fraught;
Our sweetest songs are those that tell of saddest thought.

Yet if we could scorn
Hate, and pride, and fear;
If we were things born
Not to shed a tear,
I know not how thy joy we ever should come near.

Better than all measures
Of delightful sound,
Better than all treasures
That in books are found,
Thy skill to poet were, thou scorner of the ground!

Teach me half the gladness
That thy brain must know,
Such harmonious madness
From my lips would flow
The world should listen then, as I am listening now!

Percy Bysshe Shelley
(c.1820)


It is funny to think that the beautiful birdsong may just be a mix of the right hormones. Very Happy Somehow, that doesn't have nearly the poetic value of believing that bird is singing its heart out with gladness.

Best,
Piffka
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 9 Feb, 2005 10:56 am
http://www.chinesepaintings.com/chinese-painting/private/C032.jpg

Dear Oristar,

I want to wish you a very Happy New Year!!! 新年好 4703!!!

Let this be a special year for you and your family -- full of happiness, prosperity, good luck & peace.

安樂... 景氣... 福氣

Best,
Piffka

4703 -- The Chinese Calendar began in 2698 BC??
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oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 05:30 am
Dear Piffka,

Thanks for your greetings.

It is said that Chinese calendar was invented by Huangdi (Yellow Emperor) in 2637 BC*, who is considered as the founding father of Chinese civilization. (* Many scholars think 2697 BC is the starting point of Chinese calendar, about which the ealiest proof witnessed in Shang Dynasty(1766-1121 BC))

I'm trying to have a good time in the Chinese New Year. I'll be back soon to reply your previous post.

Best,
Oristar
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 06:51 pm
Dear Oristar,

No hurry! I'm worried a little that you're "trying to have a good time." Try harder!

I'm imagining you having fifteen days of celebrations... fancy foods, fireworks, parties and parades. It sounds like a wonderful way to mark the changing of the year. I think that counting by lunar months seems more reasonable than anything else and celebrating until the full moon just sounds like lots of fun.

I'm also mightily impressed at the early date... whatever it is.

Best,
Piffka

http://funalliance03.funtier.net/goldf/437000037c1.jpg
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2005 11:07 am
Dear Piffka,

Thank you for understanding. Very Happy

万象皆春春色春光春似海
新年纳福福天福地福如山


Best,
Oristar
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