Shooters in Germany

More than 100 persons have witnessed the shootings - they are looked after by crisis intervention teams.

9 persons are dead, about 20 injured according to police sources. The ninth dead person is believed to be the man who fired the first shots at the McDonald's.

It's truly horrible.

There will be a press conference this night (it's already 'morning' here)
Too late for me now ...

thks Walter

Go to bed Walter. This horrible event will be with us, unfortunately, in the morning.

Stay safe

Thanks.



It has been only one shooter, a 18-year old German (with Iranian nationality as well).

Among the death are youths, among the injured children.

The weapon has been a pistol. He was first shot at by policemen in civil clothes, who later lost contact with him.
He was found dead at 20:30 local time. [2:30pm EST]

Public transport started at 4 o'clock again.
There will be another press conference this morning [I posted the results of the one this night, from 2:40 local time [8:30pm EST])

Several other unsubstantiated rumors punctuated a chaotic evening in Munich, including multiple reports of secondary shootings at key sites in the city, which proved not to be true. Similarly, conflicting reports on the shooter, what he was wearing, and what he might have said at the scene circulated.

For a time, police had worked on the assumption of "up to three" shooters; eyewitness reports forced police to presume that more than one person was involved. Two people had left the scene at speed in a car, prompting suspicion, but police investigated them: "They have nothing to do with the incident," police chief Andrä said.

"The motive, and the background of the crime are still totally unclear, the investigators are working full tilt and will continue into the night," Andrä said, adding that the process should move relatively quickly, as police were confident that they had identified the suspect. Defining whether the shooting was a case of somebody running amok, or an act of terror, would require more information on a possible motive, he said.

A lot of faked photos have been published, a lot more speculations as well. Even now some websites are reporting 'results', which contradict the known results.

A sad side effect, which helps no-one.

The 18-year-old attacker killed two girls and six teenagers/adolescents end between 15 and 21 years, and a 45 year old woman, it is reported.

There are mutually contradictory reports of eyewitnesses about the shooter.

Thank you for your good reports - it is so sad.

According to the press-conference this noon, the shooter had had no connection to ISIS or any other (radical) Islamic organisation.

He used a Glock, unknown until now how and where he got.
300 more shots were in his rucksack.

He seems to have hacked a facebook-account and invited via this account "friends" for a free meal at the McDonald's.

All victims are from Munich, two aged 13, three 14 and one each 17, 19, 20 and 45 years old. (It's not 100% clear, if they knew the shooter at all.)

His parents and his younger brother can't be questioned now due to the shock they've got.

He was shot at, but missed, by a policeman when leaving the McDonald's. Killed himself with a shot in the head. (He had no licence to own a weapon.)

His computer is still being investigated.
He had "studied" intensively other events related to amok - like the one done by Breivik

Police (later) shot at him on the (open) park-deck of the shopping mall, but lost sight of him afterwards.
He killed his victims (three females) in the McDonald's, on the street, and within the shopping-mall.

No suicide note his been found (but several of books about killing sprees).

He had a "depressive illness".

[That's it, I think - now politicians are talking.]

There are loosers in life, who do horrible things like this without being connected to any terror or radical groups.
Poor parents - also they lost a child and will probably ask themselves questions the rest of their lifes.
How terribly sad for the family and friends of the young victims. To loose a child under these circumstances must be just hell on earth - loosing a child always is. They will never forget and never get over this loss.

The Bavarian minister for the interior [in charge of the police] said: "We have some indications that the suspect had a significant mental disorder."

What person who indiscriminately murders innocents doesn't have some sort of significant mental disorder?

The alternative explanation is that there is true evil in the world.

No one does such a thing out of stupidity or misguided principles.

It may very well be that he had no other motivation than insanity. Iranians and Muslims can be apolitically insane too.

However, considering that your government has planted a major stake in ground concerning Muslim immigration, and that there is some suggestion, if not evidence that this led to downplaying, dismissal and misinformation about the horrific New Year's Eve sexual assualt plague by North African Muslim immigrants, if I were a German citizen I might be hesitant to accept the notion, as accurate as it actually may be, that this fellow was simply insane.

This is what happens when political leaders attempt to spin facts towards a conclusion they prefer.

It will continue to be a sad time for Germans. I hope they can rely upon their government to tell them the truth.

Religion is a private thing here. There had been no comment and/or source relating to his religion.

But there has been comments about him being of Iranian heritage which is why I distinguished between Iranians and Muslims.