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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2004 06:27 am
I have no shame in my addiction. Smile



I may have to miss BB tonight b/c I'm curious to see Joey. I've heard the Pilot was funny.
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Joahaeyo
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2004 06:42 am
The bios were too long so I cut them down. Full bios can be found at the link below.

I automatically like Rob (Texas) and Kelly (WP Grad). Though I wonder if Kelly will be too cocky/bossy (too strong of a personality) due to his background. Hope that's not the case.



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The 18 Contestants for season 2 of The Apprentice


Kevin (Chicago, IL) Law Student
Kevin, 29, grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland and then went on to attend the Wharton School of Business.

Raj (Vail, CO/Philadelphia, PA) Real Estate Developer
Raj, 28, received his secondary education at The Hill School, a boarding school outside Philadelphia, and later earned degrees in both Economics and History from Boston College.


Maria (Virginia Beach, VA) Marketing Executive
Maria, 31, grew up in Tallahassee, Florida though her primary residence is in Virginia Beach, VA. Maria has a BS in Business and completed her MBA with a specialty track in Entrepreneurial Marketing.


Bradford (Fort Lauderdale, FL) Attorney
Bradford, 33, hails from a small town in Massachusetts. He later settled in South Florida where he obtained his J.D. from Nova Southeastern Law School.


Jennifer C. (New York, NY) Real Estate Agent
Jennifer, 31, graduated with honors and a BFA degree from Syracuse University, and immediately went on to become one of the youngest photo editors hired at a leading international entertainment magazine.


Pamela (San Francisco, CA) Investment Firm Partner
Pamela, 32, is an accomplished and well-trained business executive who has founded two successful companies from the ground up. She holds an undergraduate degree in Economics from the University of Pennsylvania and an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School.



Sandy (Rockville, MD) Bridal Shop Owner
Sandy, 28, was born and raised in a Portuguese home in the Washington, D.C. area. By the age of 21, she was the youngest bridal storeowner in the country.



Rob (Frisco, TX) Corporate Branding Salesman
Rob, 32, grew up in Plano, Texas, and later earned a football scholarship to Northeast Missouri State University where he started four years at the linebacker position. After graduating with a Bachelor of Science degree from The University of Texas, he and his wife founded Flanagan Enterprises, Inc. and grew it into a multi-million dollar business selling corporate-branded items and custom solution packaging products worldwide.



Elizabeth (Marina Del Ray, CA) Consulting Firm Owner
Elizabeth, 31, has more than 30 Fortune 500 companies and over 40 multi-million dollar brands relying on her to help them develop creative ideas to build their businesses. Elizabeth graduated with a 4.0 from The University of Michigan Business School where she was recognized as an Angell Scholar, received the Branstorm Prize, and was ranked in the top 1% of the nation for academic excellence and leadership.



Stacie J. (New York, NY) Restaurateur
Stacie, 35, grew up in Colorado. She has a BA from Emory University and an MBA from Mercer University, both of which are located in Atlanta, Georgia.


Andy (Boca Raton, FL) Recent Harvard Graduate
Andy, 23, was born and raised in South Florida where he recognized early on what it would take to succeed in business.



Ivana (Boston, MA) Venture Capitalist
Ivana, 28, earned her B.S. from the McIntire School of Commerce at the University of Virginia with a concentration in Finance.



Jennifer M. (San Francisco, CA) Attorney
Jennifer, 30, received her undergraduate degree from Princeton in English and her law degree from Harvard. She graduated magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from Princeton, and was nominated for the Pyne Prize, Princeton's highest honor.



Wes (Atlanta, GA) Private Wealth Manager
Wes, 28, grew up as the son of a veterinarian, and the oldest of four rambunctious siblings, learning responsibility and leadership at a very young age. Wes hails from Atlanta, Georgia, where he lives with his wife Lynne. He holds an Economics degree from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.


Kelly (Carlsbad, CA) Software Executive
Kelly, 37, earned a BS degree in National Security and Public Affairs from the United States Military Academy at West Point. He earned an MBA from The Anderson School at UCLA and a JD from the UCLA School of Law simultaneously. After graduating from West Point, Kelly completed Ranger School and served two years as a Military Intelligence Officer in the US Army.



Stacy R. (New York, NY) Attorney
Stacy, 26, is a native New Yorker who received her B.A. in Art History from Columbia University, where she graduated with honors. Stacy received her J.D. from Brooklyn Law School, and she currently practices corporate law at a top law firm in New York.


Chris (Long Island, NY) Stockbroker
Chris, 30, was raised in New York, and was an entrepreneur since he was 11. He started with a candy business, which followed with a landscaping business by 14.



John (San Francisco, CA) Marketing Director
John, 24, has lived the majority of his life in the San Francisco Bay area. He attended University of California at Berkeley, where he graduated in 2003.



http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/FeaturePage/featureid-161
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2004 06:46 am
I'd rather be dipped in boiling oil than watch twenty seconds of that show.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2004 08:21 am
From the previews, they're obviously setting up those artificial conflicts that are typical of a reality show. This group looks like snooze button time. Last year's winner, Bill, is on the construction site learning his job with Donald hovering nearby and returning to his assigned office -- he's probably a fast learner but from cigars to building a skyscraper is almost unthinkable.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 9 Sep, 2004 08:24 am
Meanwhile, the Donald files for bankruptcy on his casinos and resorts, the golf course he's building in Southern California has run out of money and slowed construction (the one he offered Bill who wisely bowed out of that one as the Donald has been far more successful building skyscrapers). Donald's wealth is by-and-large on paper and if the economy doesn't pick up in improving his portfolio of properties, he's liable to go down for the third time.
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Joahaeyo
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2004 07:54 am
Donald's pink tie looks like he got it from Wal-Mart.

Raj is way too much.


Rob was too worried about stepping on toes. He deserved to be booted.

Jennifer (girl who sat next to Trump at dinner) looked like she was trying to give him the dreamy eyes. She's the girl who said she wouldn't eat shrimp until she saw Donald eat it first. She'd sleep with him in a heartbeat.

Brad isn't going to last long. A good leader should at the very least listen to all the ideas before assuming his is the best.

I can't believe that tall blonde (Pamela) talked crap about the kids haircut in front of the execs - I laughed though.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 10 Sep, 2004 01:07 pm
The tie was a preview of another glimpse at his gaudy and garish apartment which looks more like the private chambers of the Pope. The architecture of his various building projects are also examples of his taste -- all good examples of more is less. He extolled the cuisine set before them at dinner revealing what looked like good hotel food. Money obviously doesn't buy taste.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2004 02:31 am
Bradford
Bradford really thought he was hot stuff. He was so cocky. He never activated his brain before he spout off his mouth. He really stuck his foot in his pie hole when he waived immunity. I was glad to see him go.

Everyone who was in the boardroom with Bradford that day are destined to hear those words: "You're fired."

Jennifer C. doesn't know when to keep her mouth shut. When Trump stated that Bradford was the best of all of the candidates sitting in the boardroom, Jennifer C. spouted off, "That's insane." Trump told her that she needed to shut her mouth. I don't think she learned her lesson. I think she has the same problem as Bradford: talking without thinking.

Stacie is an oddball. She won't last long. (But did you see that group of women that met behind Stacie's back and decided to make Stacie the scapegoat? Some of them scampered like cockroaches when Stacie walked in, saw that they were meeting without her, and asked what she missed.)

Ivana was project manager, but she didn't take control of the team. Se decided to move her ice cream carts without making a decision where to place them, lost contact with the second cart for three hours, and lost valuable selling time. Since they only lost by $235, that critical. If they had spent that time selling ice cream rather than trying to find each other, they could have won.

Did you see the look on Ivana's face after Bradford was fired? She said, "Oh my God," and then she put her head down into her hands. When she finally looked up, she had a smug smirk on her face that kind of gave away her feelings: "I'm saved---I escaped the bullet."
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2004 08:53 am
A good example of a lapse of good salesmanship -- never unecessarily volunteer anything. It's known as "talking your way out of a sale." In this case, you're selling yourself and to one of the most comsumate salesman of our age. Sales is the oldest profession contrary to a popular cliche and prostituting oneself for the sake of the sale is a sure loser. People figure it out quite quickly. It's also known as "assuming a sale." Bradford amazed me that he didn't figure Trump would see through it.

BTW, an attorney is also selling their case.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 12:54 am
Lost posts
It looks like we lost some posts on this thread. We were discussiong whether Trump, et al., may have made a legal blunder in firing Stacie J. because the other ladies labeled her as "crazy."

Here's an article on the subject:

Did Trump Make a Legal Goof In Firing Stacie J?

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Apprentice contestant deemed “crazy” by other applicants and accepted by Trump as a basis for termination could have actually violated the American Disabilities Act.

Baltimore, MD (PRWEB) September 24, 2005 -- According to the American Disabilities Act (“ADA”), a company covered by the Act, may not discriminate against a qualified individual with a disability because of the disability of such individual in regard to job application procedures such as hiring, advancement, or discharge of employees.

The term Adisability@ according to the ADA means, with respect to an individual, one who: (1) has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of that person, (2) has a record of such an impairment, or (3) is regarded as having such an impairment. However, to be protected by the ADA, an individual with a disability must be able to perform the essential functions of the employment position for which the individual applied. The ADA protects individuals from discrimination even if they are not yet employed, but are only applying for a job.

Against this legal backdrop, a review of the events of Thursday’s latest Apprentice reality T.V. program indicates that there were various ADA issues that Mr. Trump’s legal staff should have brought to his attention prior to his decision to fire Stacie J. . . .

[E]ven if Stacie J had in fact no disability, if Trump regarded her as being disabled, meaning if he wrote her off as “crazy”, a “loose cannon” or something of the like, then arguably his company regarded her as being disabled and she would then likely be entitled to ADA protection. . . .
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Joahaeyo
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2004 07:51 am
Apparently the winner may have been leaked.

There are investigating some bets made in Vegas where an unusual amount of money was placed on the final two. There is a link naming the winner too.

Please do not post it if you find it, I don't want to know. Just sharing.

This season isn't as exciting as the first. The boardrooms have been let-downs.
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primergray
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2004 07:21 pm
Debra,

Does Trump have an 'out' if he says he 'fired' her because she frightened the other team members? he seemed to make a point of asking every single one if she felt afraid.

Also, he didn't really fire Stacie J. He eliminated a game show contestant.

That being said, I think they way Stacie J. was treated by her team was awful. These supposedly intelligent women were making armchair 'diagnoses', throwing around psychological terms they clearly didn't understand. All except Jennifer M. I don't think she's nice, but definitely a lot smarter than the others.

Jenn C. this week - what an idiot! My armchair diagnosis - histrionic personality disorder.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 4 Oct, 2004 03:36 am
Job Applicant
primergray wrote:
Does Trump have an 'out' if he says he 'fired' her because she frightened the other team members? he seemed to make a point of asking every single one if she felt afraid.

Also, he didn't really fire Stacie J. He eliminated a game show contestant.


Title I of the ADA applies to private employers. Trump is a private employer. Stacie J. may reasonably argue that she was a job applicant. All the "candidates" are interviewing (and competing against each other) for the real-life position as Trump's apprentice (employee) and a 6-figure salary. Each week, one of the job applicants is eliminated. No matter how the show is characterized (game show, reality t.v., etc.), Trump eventually HIRES one of the job applicants.

"The ADA prohibits discrimination in all employment practices, including job application procedures, hiring, firing, advancement, compensation, training, and other terms, conditions, and privileges of employment. It applies to recruitment, advertising, tenure, layoff, leave, fringe benefits, and all other employment-related activities."

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/q%26aeng02.htm

"An employer is free to select the most qualified applicant available and to make decisions based on reasons unrelated to a disability."

The term "disability" is defined to protect individuals who are regarded as as disabled (physically or mentally impaired) even if they are not disabled. Even though Stacie J. might not have a mental impairment, it is apparent that she was regarded as having one. Many of the women on Stacie's team even suggested a diagnosis. However, the ADA protects qualified individuals from being denied employment because an employer fears "negative reactions" of customers or co-workers.

Stacie J. was not waving a knife. She was playing with an eight-ball. The fact that members on her team had a negative reaction to her behavior does not mean she was or is a direct threat to their safety. Even though her team members expressed "fear" of Stacie J., this does not save Trump's butt. Their subjective statements concerning Stacie's mental health made during a boardroom witch-hunt wherein they were all looking for a scapegoat to save themselves from getting fired makes their expressions of "fear" far less than credible.

Rather than focusing on whether Stacie J. was "crazy" and labeling her as mentally impaired or unstable, they should have focused on task performance. In that regard, Stacie J. was in charge of getting the toothpaste to the task event. She failed to bring an appropriate vehicle for transportation and arrived at the warehouse three minutes before it closed. Nevertheless, the toothpaste did make it to the event. The team lost because they went over budget. Stacie was not responsible for the loss, but she was nevertheless eliminated for improper purposes.

Stacie J. may have a claim against Trump, et al., for a violation(s) of Title I of the ADA. (Discrimination in job application procedures/recruitment & violation of confidentiality provisions.) She was labeled as a "crazy" person with several possible mental impairments (chemical imbalance, schizophrenia, etc.) on national television and must now suffer slings and arrows that label will bring upon her for the rest of her life.

If Stacie J. brings a lawsuit, it is possible for her to succeed. Even if she signed a contract that contains a provision that appears to absolve Trump, et al., from liability for civil torts, the contract provision may be held unconscionable and unenforceable under the circumstances. There are some individual rights or protections that cannot be waived. If it were permissible for people to waive their protections under the ADA, then all employers could conceivably require job applicants to waive their rights under the ADA and the law would be rendered meaningless.

It will be interesting to see if Stacie J. brings a lawsuit.
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primergray
 
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Reply Mon 4 Oct, 2004 01:01 pm
Thanks, Debra. This will be interesting.
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spruce1535
 
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Reply Tue 5 Oct, 2004 09:13 am
the donald sucks
How can you fire someone you didn't hire? All this tripe about Donald Trump being such a strong business person is bull@*%. The Board of Directors of any real company would fire Donald. See: www.thedonaldsucks.com. It says it all.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 5 Oct, 2004 08:59 pm
I believe this could only legally apply to being fired if, in fact, you were hired. On a "reality" show, I again offer that they have to sign a waver that they can't sue for anything like being "fired" for a disability. Of course, she could have been found out to be a serial killer and that's grounds for dismissal. Just exchange "serial" for "series."
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 5 Oct, 2004 10:06 pm
huh?
Lightwizard wrote:
I believe this could only legally apply to being fired if, in fact, you were hired. On a "reality" show, I again offer that they have to sign a waver that they can sue for anything like being "fired" for a disability. Of course, she could have been found out to be a serial killer and that's grounds for dismissal. Just exchange "serial" for "series."


Huh?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 5 Oct, 2004 10:16 pm
Re: the donald sucks
spruce1535 wrote:
How can you fire someone you didn't hire?


The relevant issue obviously escapes you.

Every time Trump eliminates a job applicant for the apprentice position, he says, "You're fired." Regardless of the terminology used, that person (the job applicant) is eliminated from any further consideration for a real-life job.

An employer, such as Trump, is free to select the most qualified applicant available and to make selection decisions based on reasons unrelated to a disability.

Why was Stacie J. eliminated? Was her elimination based on reasons unrelated to a disability?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2004 12:44 am
Thanks for recognizing my typo -- that should have been "can't sue." I was joking about the serial killer but it would be a series killer if Donald's "gut feeling" about some of the firings ended up in court. What would be the legal compensation? It's like a quiz show after all in that you don't win anything until you've passed the tests. Would be an interesting live court case if the contestants didn't have to sign wavers. Donald and his attorneys are too smart to leave an opening like this. It looked like he eliminated her more for the total picture of islolating herself early in the game and not being a team player. That's the tension and suspense of the game although this time the players are all rather dull in my opinion. They all seem like people I've not hired in the past.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 6 Oct, 2004 06:40 am
Waiver
Lightwizard wrote:
I again offer that they have to sign a waver [sic] that they can't sue for anything like being "fired" for a disability.


Lightwizard wrote:
Would be an interesting live court case if the contestants didn't have to sign wavers. Donald and his attorneys are too smart to leave an opening like this.


Title I of the ADA provides that no covered entity (employers with 15 or more employees) shall discriminate against a qualified individual with a disability because of the disability in regard to job application procedures, the hiring, advancement, or discharge of employees, employee compensation, job training, and other terms, conditions, and privileges of employment. 42 U.S.C. ยง12112(a).

Donald Trump, an employer, is hiring an apprentice (an employee). He narrowed down the qualified applicants to 18 applicants and they compete for the position on television. This might be a unique "job application procedure" for hiring an employee, but there is no doubt that someone is ultimately hired. It doesn't matter how smart Donald and his attorneys may be; they cannot exempt themselves from the requirements of public law through a waiver provision in a private contract.

I can't find any legal authority for your contract waiver theory. If you can find a case where an employer was allowed to avoid liability for violations of the ADA because he obtained a waiver from the job applicant, let me know.
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