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how to win friends and allies

 
 
Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 09:35 am
French leaders have reacted angrily after US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld described American allies France and Germany as "problems" in the crisis over Iraq.
Finance Minister Francis Mer said he was "profoundly vexed" by Mr Rumsfeld's remarks - which branded France and Germany "old Europe - while a former employment minister described the US as arrogant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2687403.stm
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 09:57 am
"Hell, let's just bomb them too while we're flying over on our way to Baghdad."

(You just know someone in the Defense Dept. said this...)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 10:04 am
I often wonder if Rumsfeld says those types of things with the administration's sanction or if he does that to lobby within the administration itself.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 10:08 am
I don't have an answer to that CdK, but i don't believe the old Rummy is leashed, so it may well be just another example of his charm and wit . . . Rolling Eyes
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 11:36 am
Currently Rummy is making the circuit saying that War is the last thing they want to do. That means the war decision has already been made and they are getting spin out to point to later!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 12:22 pm
Heaven forbid, you're not saying our government would lie to us, are you ? ! ? ! ?

Oh the agony, the shame . . .
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 12:49 pm
all right setanta thats one keyboard clean-up you own me.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 12:52 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 12:58 pm
Quote:
If you are sick and tired of Politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign.


On my calendar for tomorrow - and I usually don't check ahead. There is always to much on today to handle more than one. It was an accident, but appropriate for here, IMHO.
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Lash Goth
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 01:21 pm
Can you imagine part of your job requiring you to stand up infront of the world and speak from the hip?

Rummy is in deep poo over another comment about the draft.

He said that the draft was not the boon to the military that some might think; citing the training that took a long time, and the fact that these draftees didn't stay around after their tour...

I can see what he means, but it was translated that draftees were not appreciated. The Atlanta Constitution had a big headline to the effect "Rumsfeld slurs draftees, offends veterans." Like him or not, I don't think that characterization was fair.

I sure wouldn't want my every syllable to be dissected by a world, that already has a chip on their shoulder, where I was concerned.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 02:18 pm
Nor would i, Boss--which explains in large measure why i turned down my father's offer to finance a law school education, and why i would not run for office nor accept appointment to office, even with the proverbial gun at my head. I certainly could never argue your point about the difficulty of being in that spotlight.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 02:21 pm
Rumsfeld is in critical need of a Dale Carnegie intervention.

Is there a twelve-step program for obnoxious personality disorder?
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 02:37 pm
PD, what a nice way of saying a@@hole!
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jjorge
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 02:50 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Rumsfeld is in critical need of a Dale Carnegie intervention.

Is there a twelve-step program for obnoxious personality disorder?


Laughing Laughing right on PDiddie!

If Rummy calls France and Germany 'The Old Europe'publicly, what is he
calling them privately? "The Axis of Obstruction'?

The Hubris of the Bush administration is breath-taking!
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 02:53 pm
Next he will be saying "The Old Europe is as worthless as the USA draftees">
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 03:03 pm
'Tis by our less censored utterances that you will know us. As when Reagan did not know the mike was on and said of the USSR, let's just nuke 'em.

Hey - you guys have already attacked US! And we, as usual, are off to war with you. You dropped an F18 on Perth!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 03:04 pm
It slipped, honest . . .
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 03:10 pm
Or maybe he meant that France and Germany are just as irrelevant as the UN.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 03:23 pm
Well, he will find that France and Germany - the most powerful economies in Europe, and just forming an alliance - are not irrelevant to themselves, or the rest of the world!
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 03:26 pm
And, shouldn't be considered as such!
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