Reincarnation Believers

Me too.

I don't believe in it. I think that we just go around once. But...............I do believe that something of us gets passed down through our genes. So our descendants WILL have something of us in them.

Reincarnation sounds nice - But it's not possible. Like phoenix, I believe you get one go around. Then it's curtains, see? The big chill. One way across the Styxx. In a former life I was a naysayer, as in this one.

how is it not possible?

In the sense that fairy tales are only tales.

im tired of arguing it, so believe what you want to believe

Gold Barz.
Quote......im tired of arguing it, so believe what you want to believe..... unquote.
I suggest you read the American Heritage Dictionary in reply to your "belief".... from the above dictionary....

Belief: 1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in a person or "thing".
2. Mental acceptance or conviction in the truth or actuality of something.
3. Something believed or accepted as true..... and so on.
One gets "tired" of arguing when one tries to argue fact with fiction.

actually no, i got tired of arguing it because i just argued it on another site, please dont try that "dictionary" thing on me

Gold Barz.
Is it that the dictionary "thing" is unarguable or are you "just tired"

no, I don't.

might i ask GoldB, why you began this thread, if you are too tired to argue your point.

Bring us some solid evidence (not stories) demonstrating reincarnation in a concrete manner, and we can discuss it.

[what part of the biological cycle would lead you to believe that a unit that has gone from birth to death is then going to be randomly flipped back into doing it again?]

just read the book by Dr. Stevenson, "Where Biology and Reincarnation Intersect", convincing evidence that might even concinve you

http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=paranormal&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.childpastlives.org%2Fbirthmrk.htm

http://falun-al.servehttp.com:99/recommended%20english%20articles/Evidence%20for%20Reincarnation.htm

Re: Reincarnation Believers


I do not.

The goal or idea of re-incarnation is to reach perfection, Nirvana and/or enlightenment. Karma is what makes it all go around. If one does well in one of their "lives" they go up a notch, if they do bad they go down a notch (re-incarnation/karma in a nutshell).

The injustice and glaring contradiction with karma/re-incarnation is that one is not told of where they need to improve in their next life to be a better person. In other words one is re-incarnated because they have NOT reached perfection, yet one has no idea why or where they need to improve in order to move on. It would be like a parent spanking their child and not telling them why they are being spanked.

Tony

Dont believe that.
But understand the people who believe that. THey just want to escape the truth.They are just feared of death, feared of sleeping forever, feared of saying goodbye to fresh air, warm sunshine, delectable water, delicious cuisine of made by Cav, lovers,family, movies, A2K,or just a most-loved pen or something like that.........and ,forever.
I am a bit serious. But that is the truth.
Go to sleep, and never wake up......

There is a difference between "reincarnation" and "transmigration of souls".

Transmigration is the survival of the personality, the "I", the ego, from one life to another. For Buddhists there in no "soul", so transmigrations of souls is an impossibility. This is a fundamental doctrine dating from the time of the Historical Buddha, and is quite clear in early texts. However, within Buddhism there are many Schools and sects, and there is considerable difference in doctrine from one to the next. For instance, the Pure Land Schools, which is a very popular School of Mahayana Buddhism, have a notion about reincarnation that must sound very like transmigration of souls to non-Buddhist lay people. I will leave it to followers of the "Pure Lands" to explain their reasoning on the matter.

Reincarnation is more about the survival of causation from one life to the next. This involves the Law of Karma. All Karma is ultimately "bad" Karma, because attachment and causation underly the World of Maya (illusion of separateness and multiplicy). The famous illustrative example is to pass the flame from a candle to an unlit wick, then blowing out the first candle. Is it the same flame? The candle flame has no "independent" existence, but is rather a process that can pass from one candle to another. Once blown out the original candle is "dead", but the second "lives" as a consequence.

Buddhists, and some other religions, accept the concept of reincarnation. When one is Awakened to the truth about illusory existence, that which keeps the "dream" going is reduced, and the suffering attendant upon living a sentient life is constrained.

Of course, it is impossible to fully discuss adequately here what has filled volumes written over thousands of years. To even approach full understanding of the topic, you will need to know a whole lot more about Buddhism in general, and evolving Buddhist doctrine in particular. Good luck and good hunting.

"yet one has no idea why or where they need to improve in order to move on" so says TonyO.

But maybe, just maybe, what you need to work on, TonyO, is learning how to know what you need to work on.

Circular reasoning.

If, under the bondage of karma, I seek to help the poor and hungry would that not help me in my own karma? Sadly India has its poor and dying because of karma and the thought that helping those will disrupt the course of the poors karma. There is no freedom under karma, only bondage.

Tony

Are you saying that you should not act in kindness because if someone accepts your kindness it will have a negative impact on their karma?

I am not saying it, some karma, not all mind you, but many karmic tenents hold this to be true. Especially those in India.

To many in India, regarding the caste system, the poor are in their situation because in their former life they had done wrongly, hence their present situation in this life.

Tony