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RNC Invokes 9/11...Opinions please

 
 
PKB
 
Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 08:37 pm
I am sitting here watching the RNC from the comfort of my modest little home. I have seen it all! I feel like Fred G. Sanford. (Clutches heart and stumbles about room. "I'm commin' Elizabeth! I'm commin'.")
Laughing

Seriously, what say you all about how this will play come tomorrow morning? Do you think it will have a negative or positive or no effect at all upon Bush/Cheney?

Aside from that delegates are wearing little bandaids to represent their distaste for John Kerry. It has something to do with his purple heart and all. I don't quiet get it.

Anyway, I want to get some opinions on this. IMHO, it doesn't play well with me. But then who am I?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 08:42 pm
I will quote my post from another thread...this is the Convention..." A lot of cool people like me, won't you like me too?"

Pimp Daddy bush has tricked out and turned out a new ho and put her on the street and her name is John McCain.....

Jason Cunningham deserves love and respect for putting on the uniform and volunteering to go where he made the ultimate sacrifice....too bad the same can't be said for the presidential incumbent.....

this is lowest common denominator sentimentality which has a well deserved place in our national consciousness, but not at the convention.....save it for this coming Saturday where it belongs....
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PKB
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 08:44 pm
Okay some guy just finished "Amazing Grace" after the unbelieveable-----I dont' even-----I can't even find the right words for this. What a show! Damn these REPUBLICANS are good! They are invoking the memory of 9/11! As if New York or the rest of America would ever forget that. I personally think something like this should be set aside from a political convention. Could you just imagine if the Dems in Boston had done something like this for the heros and loved ones of the 9/11 tragedy? I can. Hang 'em high! Swing 'em low. (Shakes head in disgust)
Give me an alcoholic break Drunk
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 09:04 pm
The costumes, the scenery, the makeup, the props
The audience that lifts you when you're down
The headaches, the heartaches, the backaches, the flops
The sheriff who escorts you out of town

The opening when your heart beats like a drum
The closing when the customers won't come

There's no business like show business
Like no business I know
Everything about it is appealing
Everything the traffic will allow

No where could you have that happy feeling

When you aren't stealing that extra bow
There's no people like show people
They smile when they are low

Yesterday they told you you would not go far
That night you opened and there you are
Next day on your dressing room they've hung a star

Let's go on with the show
The cowboys, the wrestlers, the tumblers, the clowns
The roustabouts that move the show at dawn
The music, the spotlights, the people, the towns
Your baggage with the labels pasted on
The sawdust and the horses and the smell
The towel you've taken from the last hotel

There's no business like show business
If you tell me it's so
Traveling through the country is so thrilling
Standing out in front on opening nights
Smiling as you watch the benches filling
And see your billing up there in lights

There's no people like show people
They smile when they are low
Even with a turkey that you know will fold
You may be stranded out in the cold
Still you wouldn't trade it for a sack o' gold
Let's go on with the show
Let's go on with the show!
The show!
The show!
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2004 09:48 pm
All the Republicans can do pretty much is demonize Kerry for all they can, because the issues are not in their favor, with perhaps the exception of fighting terrorism. There is also a cross section of American society which will eat up those bandaids and what they stand for, and there will also be people who will find it utterly distasteful because Bush didnt' want to go to Vietnam, and specified as such on his application for the National Guard. And now we have a man by the name of Barnes who is showing quite a bit of remorse for getting Bush into the National Guard as a favor to his daddy.

To some, the bandaids will only reinforce their hatred for Kerry. For others, it will only further cement their resolve to get Bush out of office.

In the end, though, it is a juvenile gesture reserved solely for the Republican party.

And that is very sad indeed...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 05:30 am
Damn, I missed it. Were they invoking 911 or was it just a tribute like the Dems had. And I think someone should pick up the story about the delegates with the bandaids -- it would help Kerry.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 05:44 am
Kerry supporters looking for good news to bolster their hopes of sending W packing in January won't find much of it watching the GOP convention.

With the exception of a few delegates shennanigans like the Purple Heart Bandaides, there will be little Kerry bashing.

Instead their will be a clear delineation of the GOP agenda and touting of Bush's leadership. And in the finale, Bush laying out his agenda for his next term.

Just my opinion of course.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:04 am
Larry434 wrote:
Kerry supporters looking for good news to bolster their hopes of sending W packing in January won't find much of it watching the GOP convention.

With the exception of a few delegates shennanigans like the Purple Heart Bandaides, there will be little Kerry bashing.

Instead their will be a clear delineation of the GOP agenda and touting of Bush's leadership. And in the finale, Bush laying out his agenda for his next term.

Just my opinion of course.


I don't see how you can say that after last nights convention...what agenda? Safety.....Safety....Safety....Safety.....Safety..... this was a fundamentalist tent show with a big budget....the republicans took the well deserved tribute of soldiers and firefighers and perverted it into a commerical for bush...the Senator from New Mexico who spoke of Jason Cunningham and had the nerve to tie his honorable death to the election of bush made me want to puke.........
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PKB
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:19 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Larry434 wrote:
Kerry supporters looking for good news to bolster their hopes of sending W packing in January won't find much of it watching the GOP convention.

With the exception of a few delegates shennanigans like the Purple Heart Bandaides, there will be little Kerry bashing.

Instead their will be a clear delineation of the GOP agenda and touting of Bush's leadership. And in the finale, Bush laying out his agenda for his next term.

Just my opinion of course.


I don't see how you can say that after last nights convention...what agenda? Safety.....Safety....Safety....Safety.....Safety..... this was a fundamentalist tent show with a big budget....the republicans took the well deserved tribute of soldiers and firefighers and perverted it into a commercial for bush...the Senator from New Mexico who spoke of Jason Cunningham and had the nerve to tie his honorable death to the election of bush made me want to puke.........



I agree 100% Bi-Polar. What a joke! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Just to clarify things for the nay-sayers out there. The Democrats didn't invoke 9/11 quite like the Republicans did. Putting the widows up there to tearfully relive their loss! Uncalled for. All week we have heard from the Republican pundits and Republican Senators and such that their party was not "using" 9/11 in a distasteful way. To that I say (in quoting Bush sr.),"Bovine Scatology!". Or for you laymen and women out there, "bullsh Exclamation t".

I call this not the Republican National Convention but rather another episode of the "Choke and Puke".
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:34 am
I can say it because it is my right to hold and state that opinion, Bear. Just as it is your right to hold and state a different one.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:49 am
if you want to argue semantics let me restate....I don't understand how you can say that with any conviction and believe it....you certainly have a right to........but I don't understand how.

better?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:52 am
I stand by my last statement, bear, with conviction.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:55 am
as is your right.....and as do I....my own statements that is....
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angie
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 09:55 am
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shaggydog
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 11:15 am
All the Repubs can do is demonize Kerry...........that is pretty much true, the economy isn't rosy, the deficit sucks, the tax breaks, tho not as odious as the left claims, are a PR failure, and Iraq is enough of a pain to be embarrassing.

The PROBLEM is Kerry is easy to demonize. I know many of you can't see it because of your hate for Bush, but JFK really is a self serving whiner from the bluest state of them all. From the snowboard non fall to his choice of wives, to his hair, to his prevaricating about everything from whose SUV it is to votes on funding the war, most people know just what kind of jerk he is, just as they know that Bush isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I would have voted for Lieberman or Gephardt. Dean was as much a fringe joke to me as Kucinich or Sharpton.

If there had not been Good Old Ross Perot to screw up Slick's opposition, The republicans would have won every election since 1980, because the democrats just are not good at this stuff, I guess.
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angie
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 04:14 pm
So Kerry is easy to demonize? Well, I guess that depends upon your agenda. Kerry's not perfect (who is?) but he is dramatically different from W on issues and approaches. America has a real choice this time around.

Is anyone else as tired of hearing the "Bush is strong" stuff as I am ?

I find it incredibly frustrating , even exasperating, at the continued attempts by many Republicans to portray Bush as "strong", as if repeating that alleged character trait ad nauseam might make it so. Bush's actions during his entire lifetime reveal that, in fact, he is just the opposite. (I should say that I'm referring to strength, not stubbornness or intransigence. I'll give him both of those with no argument.)

Consider Iraq: Bush unquestionably took the easy path re Iraq. It's easy to march in guns-a-blazin', with no real justification and no real plan. The more difficult path (given no legitimate imminent threat) would have been to exercise restraint, gather accurate information, put together a viable, respect-based, multinational coalition, and then make the tough decision as to whether or not to put our young people in harm's way.

And, more to the point the Republicans seem to want to drive home, Bush's rash, impudent, ill-planned pre-emptive invasion has left us LESS SAFE from the terrorist threat. Iraq is now an unstable haven for newly arrived terrorist groups.

The terrorists in Afghanistan (e.g. Osama), whom Bush ignored to pursue his revenge/oil driven agenda in Iraq, have been allowed to regroup and reorganize, especially with the help of our "allies", the Pakistanis, along the border.

Bush's condescending dismissal of our long-standing allies in Europe and elsewhere has left us dangerously alone in this war against terrorism, where we clearly need to work overtly and covertly with as many foreign nations as possible.

Bush's arrogant unilateral invasion of a sovereign Muslim state has fueled the ranks of terrorists all over the world, especially in places like the Philippines and Pakistan where recruitments to new cells are running high.

How can anyone view Bush's actions and the resulting disastrous consequences as a reflection of any kind of strength ?

Consider Vietnam: Being from wealthy privileged backgrounds, both Bush and Kerry could have easily avoided active duty in Vietnam. Kerry volunteered for such duty. Bush hid out in Texas. (Cheney had "other priorities" in his life at that time.) Strength ? I know there were many people who refused to serve in Vietnam for reasons of conscience, but Bush was not one of them. He never stated any objection to that war. No, he hid out in Texas because he was/is a coward. Strength ? And now, he allows Swift Boat scumbags to attempt to discredit Kerry's record in Vietnam, just as he allowed them to attempt to discredit McCain's record (during the last primary), and just as they attempted (successfully) to unseat Sen Max Cleland by discrediting his service, which, by the way, cost him an arm and two legs.What these slimy , lying, self-serving Republicans are doing is utterly despicable.

Consider the aftermath of Vietnam: When Kerry returned from Vietnam, based upon what had seen and learned there, he had the courage to stand up and speak out against what we have all, fifty years later, come to realize was an unjust war. Where was Bush ? Still hiding out in Texas. Strength ?

Consider Public Service records: Kerry went to Law School and became a public prosecutor, often fighting "non" self-serving battles against corporate interests. Where was Bush ? Daddy bought him a baseball team to run. Strength ? Kerry's public service record in the Senate over the past twenty years speaks for itself, as does Bush's record as governor of Texas. (I cannot possible get in to all the details, so I refer you to Molly Ivans (a journalist who lived through the Bush Texas years) - her audio book "Bushwhacked" says it all. If Americans read / listened to this book, the election would be over.) For a description of Kerry's public service record in the Senate, I refer you to a website created by a non-partisan young man who supports candidates from both parties: http://www.votewithavengeance.com/kerry.html

If you spend five minutes at this site, you will learn more about Kerry than you will in five months from TV.

excerpt: "As the junior senator of Massachusetts, John Kerry has garnered an extensive portfolio of purposeful causes. Just scratching the surface of his agenda, Kerry brings much-needed attention to issues such as small businesses, housing, veterans' affairs, environmental protection, education, child abuse, health care, and foreign relations."

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So, then, the next time you hear the Republicans or anyone desperately repeating the "Bush is strong" mantra, you may perhaps recognize it for what it is: wishful thinking by a group of nasty, self-serving ,dangerous ideologues who don't give a rat's a$$ about the truth.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 04:31 pm
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Is anyone else as tired of hearing the "Bush is strong" stuff as I am ?


very
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