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Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:28 pm
The top seven 527 groups are liberal, mostly Soros money and unions. Bush must be thrilled to have a reason to "agree" with Kerry that these groups ads are over the top. How is Kerry going to nuance this?
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes.asp
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shaggydog wrote:The top seven 527 groups are liberal, mostly Soros money and unions. Bush must be thrilled to have a reason to "agree" with Kerry that these groups ads are over the top. How is Kerry going to nuance this?
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527cmtes.asp
Clumsily, as usual.
Well, he might start by pointing out that the top group in that list is the combination of the next two -- see the *. I just want to ask what's wrong with 527s? They aren't all running smear ads. The deal is that they are supposed to be issue based and all of the ones I saw seemed to be.
Right, Freeduck, it is George Soros money running the top three, probably in an effort to disperse criticism.
I don't have a problem with 527's. They are an interesting result of campaign finance reform and I think they should exist. My point, as you are aware and ignore, is that Kerry complaining about the swifties is ridiculous, since his side has much more financial clout via 527's. When the administration wondered how fair it was that Moveon.org could place anti Bush ads earlier this summer, given their connections with the DNC and prominent Democratic contributors and officers, they were roundly condemned for stifling free speech, which, btw, they were imo. Kerry does the same thing, even more vociferously with threatened lawsuits and book banning, and the reaction of the media and the free speech advocates is predictably opposite.
shaggydog wrote:Right, Freeduck, it is George Soros money running the top three, probably in an effort to disperse criticism.
I don't have a problem with 527's. They are an interesting result of campaign finance reform and I think they should exist. My point, as you are aware and ignore, is that Kerry complaining about the swifties is ridiculous, since his side has much more financial clout via 527's. When the administration wondered how fair it was that Moveon.org could place anti Bush ads earlier this summer, given their connections with the DNC and prominent Democratic contributors and officers, they were roundly condemned for stifling free speech, which, btw, they were imo. Kerry does the same thing, even more vociferously with threatened lawsuits and book banning, and the reaction of the media and the free speech advocates is predictably opposite.
Woa there, Shaggy. We just met and already you accusing me of ignoring something. I think that comparing the money raised by 527s for the Dem side to the money raised by 527s for the Reps is misleading. The fact is that the Reps have much more campaign money and were able to spend it much longer since their convention was nearly a month after the Dem convention. As for the MoveOn ads against Bush, I believe that all except for the recent response to the swifties have been issue based. The one by the swifties is clearly candidate based.
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