Swifty O'Neill Busted

Yeah, you're right that it's messy. It's tempting, though.

But you're right, onward upward, enough with the mudslinging. Issues!

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's not like you would pilot your boat over the border and see a great big line labelled 'cambodia' like a map or something,

no big sign with "welcome to cambodia. enjoy your stay!", accompanied by medallion signs for rotary, lions club and the chamber of commerce ?

i've seen things that say that all of this stuff took place within 5 miles of the cambodian border. for the sake of argument let's say this is accurate.

1969? i could tell you i was in louisville. but since i never knew where the city limit was, it may have been buechel. our address was louisville, buechel was +/- 5 miles away.

when i think of christmas, the last several years or this year, i envision the space of time that begins around mid december and ends +/- the second week of january. could be because most of the businesses that i have worked in slow way down for the holidays.

if you were to ask me what we did for christmas last year or what we plan for christmas this year, this is the context in which i would consider your question.

if you asked the same question of me regarding 1969;

i could tell you my pop got me my first guitar and amp. that, i am sure was on christmas day, because they were presents.

i could tell you that i went to my first "toys for tots" concert. actually seeing the buckinghams, the lemon pipers (yipe!) is "seared-seared"in my mind. i could not tell you the exact date of the concert. but it was " at christmas"...

i went next door to shoot pool and exchange gifts with the neighbors. we did this just about every year. couldn't tell you what exact date, but as i remember, it was "at christmas".

i don't know. maybe this is all semantics. but in this case at least, i have a hard time holding kerry to a standard that i couldn't meet.

so, as has been found to be fact, the u.s. had troops and shadowy intelligence guys in cambodia. therefore, kerry's credibility about this is fine with me.

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Amen to that.

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Brand X wrote:

I don't doubt that O'Neill was covering the Cambodian border later in the War.

Yet if I get DTOM right, here, O'Neill stated that he had never been in Cambodia in a taped interview provided by his publicist.

Thats what O'Neill is "busted" on, here.

Cause, see, if you take the standards used by conservatives on Kerry on this ... "he lied about being in cambodia! see, he cant be trusted! he lost his credibility! cant believe anything else he said about his Vietnam service either!" ... that would make O'Neill totally untrustworthy a source, right?

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nimh wrote:

Brand X wrote:
I don't doubt that O'Neill was covering the Cambodian border later in the War.

Yet if I get DTOM right, here, O'Neill stated that he had never been in Cambodia in a taped interview provided by his publicist.

Thats what O'Neill is "busted" on, here.

Cause, see, if you take the standards used by conservatives on Kerry on this ... "he lied about being in cambodia! see, he cant be trusted! he lost his credibility! cant believe anything else he said about his Vietnam service either!" ... that would make O'Neill totally untrustworthy a source, right?

exactamundo, muchacho.

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nimh wrote:

Brand X wrote:
I don't doubt that O'Neill was covering the Cambodian border later in the War.

Yet if I get DTOM right, here, O'Neill stated that he had never been in Cambodia in a taped interview provided by his publicist.

Thats what O'Neill is "busted" on, here.

Cause, see, if you take the standards used by conservatives on Kerry on this ... "he lied about being in cambodia! see, he cant be trusted! he lost his credibility! cant believe anything else he said about his Vietnam service either!" ... that would make O'Neill totally untrustworthy a source, right?

When O'Neill campaigns to be my president I'll get concerned.

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Oh, so truth doesn't mean anything unless you are running for president. I see.

Are you concerned that one of the main proponents of the attack against Kerry is lying?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Oh, so truth doesn't mean anything unless you are running for president. I see.

Are you concerned that one of the main proponents of the attack against Kerry is lying?

Cycloptichorn

As I said before, the Swifties are not 100% right and/or honest and neither is Kerry.

Of course truth is important, Kerry has the records on his side, we don't know who wrote the reports only who signed them. It kind of defies logic , for instance, that lambert was the 'only' witness to that one incedent but there were 5 boats present.

The action reports seem to be somewhat vague as to who did what and what the exact circumstances are, again if ten Swifties wrote an action report they would all be different.

I think a big deal is being made about O'Neill's Cambodia comments considering Kerry had to admit his overly repeated story was false.

O'Neill stayed on the job much longer than Kerry therefor earns more of my respect and trust.

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O'Neill stayed on the job much longer than Kerry therefor earns more of my respect and trust.

What? I don't even understand how you come to that conclusion...

Cycloptichorn

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Brand X wrote:

When O'Neill campaigns to be my president I'll get concerned.

that, is too scary to even think about.

is it possible that he's only making a big stink with his swift boat veterans for bitterness (.org? lol) to have it on his resume when he runs for office?

doya think he'll have to flip flop his way through explanations about being a "lawyurrrr"?

will he be dismayed when people start going through his **** and demanding answers about his trip to cambodia?

naw... i don't think he's really got the balls to run himself. it's easier to be an attack dog with no responsibility for your actions.

and why would a "lawyurr" give up all of that great hourly billing?

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DToM, I think you missed the boat on that one.

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Brand X wrote:

O'Neill stayed on the job much longer than Kerry therefore earns more of my respect and trust.

O'Neill lied.

Good luck to you in your future endeavours if this is the type of person you trust and respect.

Sooooooooo, the multiply-termed president is to be trusted more than the single-term president? I'll remember that.

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McGentrix wrote:

DToM, I think you missed the boat on that one.

how so? ah wus jus' doin' a l'il spekalatin'...

Laughing

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BrandX wasn't saying that O'Neill was going to run for President, but that Kerry was and therefore should be held for a higher standard.

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So it's okay to lie in order to make a presidential candidate seem like THEY are lying?

Cycloptichorn

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That's not what I said.

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McGentrix wrote:

BrandX wasn't saying that O'Neill was going to run for President, but that Kerry was and therefore should be held for a higher standard.

but don't you think that if o'neill wants to play around in the political sandbox, that standards should be uniform for one and all?

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Then why are the candidates held to a higher standard?

Shouldn't we hold everyone to a high standard when it comes to lying?

Cycloptichorn

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So lying when you say a presidential candidate is lying isn't as big a problem as a presidential candidate lying?

I don't think you did too well in Ethics 101, BrandX.

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Brand X wrote:

CNN's Newsnight played the O'Neill-Nixon tape, with text graphic on screen:

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

They all worked along the border because the river runs along the border.

Just found a longer quote from that interview O'Neill did last weekend on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" ... interesting.

Quote:

O'NEILL: You asked about Cambodia. How do I know he's not in Cambodia? I was on the same river, George. I was there two months after him. Our patrol area ran to Sedek, it was 50 miles from Cambodia. There isn't any watery border. The Mekong River's like the Mississippi. There were gunboats stationed right up there to stop people from coming. And our boats didn't go north of, only slightly north of Sedek. So it was a made up story. He's told it over 50 times, George, that was on the floor of the Senate.

So ... O'Neill, in his own words, "worked along the border on the water", but err, he knows Kerry's been lying because, well, he "was on the same river [..] it was 50 miles from Cambodia [and] There isn't any watery border."

Right.

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