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@rrasmussen ,

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The world is sinful whether it is Christians who sin or not! There would still be sin and pain and crimes. Believing in Jesus will give us salvation and we will have eternal life with no crimes and suffering.

Who is Jesus? God's son? But our universe is most likely Godless

Godless Universe: A Physicist Searches for Meaning in Nature

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California Institute of Technology theoretical physicist Sean Carroll says: There is just no such thing as God, or ghosts, or human souls that reside outside of the body. Everything in existence belongs to the natural world and is accessible to science

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@oristarA,

Humor me for a moment. You would say that what you see is what you believe right? So you can't see God so he must not exist?

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@oristarA,

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Thus, the direction of life science, neuroscience being here included, is how to better accelerate the evolution.

Thanks for getting to your point. It's a load of horseshit.

If anything, life science is a fight against evolution. For example, Cancer is an example of accelerated evolution. We are trying to stop it, not accelerate it.

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@TomTomBinks,

According to what your stating then suffering cannot be positive? Suffering can be positive in many ways, (like learning how to ride a bike when your mom lets go and lets you try on your own and you fall and hurt your knee that is suffering that you learned from. When a child is little and is learning new things and accidentally tries to catch or play with a bee and it stings them they learned that a bee is not something to play with through suffering.)

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@Leadfoot,

Do we not respect other peoples opinions and worldview on this sight? If your trying to converse with someone and explain your own believes compared to theirs have some respect.

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@rrasmussen ,

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Do we not respect other peoples opinions and worldview on this sight? If your trying to converse with someone and explain your own believes compared to theirs have some respect.

I do start out with that position, but at some point you have to call a spade a spade. To do otherwise would be dishonest and the very least we owe to those we converse with is honesty.

Your point would apply to that last post of mine if I had left it at "Horseshit". When I do that, I am obligated to show the reason/s why it is as I said. I did include that.

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@Leadfoot,

I've been reading your post lately how do you respond to suffering?

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

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Thus, the direction of life science, neuroscience being here included, is how to better accelerate the evolution.
Thanks for getting to your point. It's a load of horseshit.

If anything, life science is a fight against evolution. For example, Cancer is an example of accelerated evolution. We are trying to stop it, not accelerate it.

That is why I have said that you are profoundly ignorant in science.

Let me state it in a bit more detail for you:

Thus, the direction of life science, neuroscience being here included, is how to better accelerate the Human evolution for Human well-being.

AIDS, superbugs etc. are in rapid evolution as well, such evolution is in competing with that of Man, who, armed by science, has great confidence to win the war of evolution.

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@rrasmussen ,

rrasmussen wrote:

Humor me for a moment. You would say that what you see is what you believe right? So you can't see God so he must not exist?

Obviously, you are the prisoner of your religious cast of mind.

Nothing is absolutely certain in science. So science is not a religion-like belief. Science is characterized by falsification.

If you think that God exists, tell us where does God come from? What new particles is He made of? What forces are holding Him together? How does He interact with ordinary matter?

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@rrasmussen ,

Then why do you question why a good god would allow it?

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@oristarA,

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Thus, the direction of life science, neuroscience being here included, is how to better accelerate the Human evolution for Human well-being.

Sorry, You are misusing the term 'Evolution'. Your use of it has nothing to do with the field of evolution.

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@Leadfoot,

It doesn't matter whether you say yes or no because you're empty-minded and guided by your god delusion.

I have better things to do: read Stephen Hawking's or Richard Dawkins' work or other scientific articles.

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@oristarA,

Already read'em...

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

rrasmussen wrote:

The world is sinful whether it is Christians who sin or not! There would still be sin and pain and crimes. Believing in Jesus will give us salvation and we will have eternal life with no crimes and suffering.

Who is Jesus? God's son? But our universe is most likely Godless

Godless Universe: A Physicist Searches for Meaning in Nature

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California Institute of Technology theoretical physicist Sean Carroll says: There is just no such thing as God, or ghosts, or human souls that reside outside of the body. Everything in existence belongs to the natural world and is accessible to science

It is comforting that Scientific American appears always to be on the right track of science: Godless.

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@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

rrasmussen wrote:

The world is sinful whether it is Christians who sin or not! There would still be sin and pain and crimes. Believing in Jesus will give us salvation and we will have eternal life with no crimes and suffering.

Who is Jesus? God's son? But our universe is most likely Godless

Godless Universe: A Physicist Searches for Meaning in Nature

If our Universe is Godless, then there is no Trinity: No Father, No Son and No Holy Ghost. Thus, there is no such thing as an original sin.

If Jesus did exist in history, he's simply an ordinary man without the power of God.

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@oristarA,

Read many versions of that too. Steven Hawking, regarded by many as the greatest living physicist, made his official public 'outing' of his atheism and his reason for it recently.

Don't mean a thing to believers in God. God and those who follow him are as the book says "No respecters of men", no mater how 'great' they are.

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@oristarA,

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. . . I have better things to do . . .

Yet, you remain.

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Here I found this:

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Why The Jesuit (Christian) Faith Is A Crime:

Jesuits claim that Jesus pays for your sins and crimes, that is not true. You are accountable for what you do and nobody pays for your crimes by proxy. That alone supports this fraud as a group that is against the rule of law, against the State by that, and supports your daily lives being lived in a lawless fashion where you account to not one person for your acts and it supports anarchy via that. A crime.

The Police in the USA have the same problem by the way in that they act as though they account to not one person, they act largely contrary to the people, and they allow crimes to go on and remain silent in the same way as Jesuits do to protect those in their mafia from being prosecuted. This weakens their body, nullifies it in fact, as it does for the Jesuit faith where even the crucifixion of their savior denies their faith. The Police act on fiat and whim to serve them only.

In addition, Jesuits and Police (In USA) act as a group who actually retaliate and harm others, taking the law into their own hands, despite one telling you it is free, and the other telling you of your rights to due process and formal charges being levied against you. Neither of these can be defended against.

Please see my other notes that explain further the failings of this faith's worldwide fraud and crime spree. And why it does not work by their own admissions.

It amazes me that you all have been killing each other and yourselves for over 1,000 years, fighting over this one trivial set of concepts that any rational person can understand and discount, in a matter of months.

The Church needs to be disestablished as a financial and personal fraud visited upon people, a hate group, and a vigilante criminal organization that supports lawlessness and anarchy.

You harm people and children especially, constantly, with this hogwash.

The fact that clergy get preferential tax treatment in the USA makes this theft and abuse even more an insult.

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@oristarA,

Addressing the charge, Jesus does not pay for crimes, nor does he negate the consequences of mistakes and errors made by man. Jesus said "Pay Caesars things to Caesar and Gods things to God", if a man commits a crime against mans laws, he pays the penalty and has to deal with any consequence that may befall him. The penalty for sin however is death. As Jesus paid the penalty on behalf of his followers, this is the basis for which a man might be able to live again, as upon his own death he has "overpaid" a life, as is the belief of many Christian faiths.

On this basis, regardless of what they may believe, any Jesuit who commits a crime, should be punishable by the law of the land

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@TomTomBinks,

I simply was posing a question

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